Who is the P4p #1 in your opinion?

It's a question. We have Spence, not the prime version of Spence before the car crash, but the version of Spence who Bud fought, who in hindsight was clearly diminished, slurring his words, etc, vs Jermell Charlo or Munguia. I'm not taking anything away from Bud's performance, it was a great performance but how much of that was Bud and how much of that was Spence just no longer being what he once was? It's a legitimate question.

The question was who was the better opponent and which was the more impressive performance. Jermell was an Undisputed Champion at 154 coming off a very impressive performance vs Castaño. Munguia was coming off a KO of John Ryder and is in his prime.

Canelo has also been more active than Bud. He's fought more times, Bud is a great fighter but it's difficult for me to put him ahead of Canelo P4P for a myriad of reasons.

 

Many of Crawfords wins do have serious asterisks surrounding them but you’re being very harsh. He’s fought everybody in his weight classes that would fight him (besides Boots but Madrimov and 154 in general have much more to offer) and has won emphatically, and he’s extremely skilled and well rounded. You can’t ask for much more in a fighter, especially a modern one.

I do believe Loma is more skilled, but as an overall fighter prime for prime you can make a case either way. Crawford will certainly be remembered more favourably by the history books though, barring a Tank or Stevenson win by Loma at this stage. Weight is definitely relevant but in 100 years do you really think people will be talking about their weight advantages/disadvantages?

 

No way Jose.

Inoue is faster on his feet than Canelo, and I agree that Canelo didn't show the kind of head movement or upper body movement we've seen in the past against Munguia. But in terms of fundamentals, i.e. blocking, parries, ability to roll with punches, Canelo still has that. Canelo's mastery of range vs Munguia was impressive. How many times did he lean back at the right time to either make Munguia miss or take the sting off punches. Overall Canelo has much better defense than Inoue. Canelo has better balance, Inoue got knocked down. That matters if we're rating them P4P.

 

I must say @Serge your extensive research and argument for Loma is very impressive.

 

Usyk. Incredible fighter

 

All you did was downplay Bud and his opponents. I can show you Bud dropping/knocking somebody out with basically every punch you can throw in boxing from either stance. Loma is not more creative offensively. He has a footwork moves that have been studied and have been neutralized by multiple opponents. He habitually L steps and gathers his feet to reset. If you were a boxer and you were to fight Lomachenko, there is a clear blueprint for you to beat him. There is no such blueprint for Crawford, he is vastly smarter and has more abilities both defensively and offensively.

 

First off, compubox is generally not a reliable source of punch stats, and I don't mean this to try to discredit Loma, but that's just truth. It's just too unreliable, I'm sure youve also seen fights where the compubox numbers are pure garbage. There's a person pressing a button when they think they see a punch land but especially at ringside it's too difficult to get an accurate account. All you need to do is just look at the two of them after their fights and you'll see Loma's face and body red and marked up from opponents and you won't see that with Bud Crawford. Worst it's ever been was 1 fight with Kell Brook and not since nor before.

And as much as you like to mention Loma fighting people bigger than himself, he's actually only 2 divisions higher than where he started. Only 9lbs separating featherweight and lightweight. Bud is fighting now at 154, which is his 4th weight class, and is 19lbs higher than where he began at lightweight. And most his career was spent at 147, which is still 12 higher.

And I'm not sure what you're attempting to prove with this clip. Yes he got clipped while being irresponsible. I've seen this happen with quite literally every boxer. "If he was 2 divisions higher with xyz" that is head canon. What are we doing here? I can show you Mayweather getting rocked by Chop Chop and say "if he was xyz" and it would be the same argument as yours. But neither would be worth making because what happened afterwards. Or I can show you any of Crawfords other fights at 147 where his opponents are the same size if not bigger than him and his defense is great.

 

Usyk. His achievements are superior to Inoue and Crawford (they actually do fight at a similar level, possibly higher considering Usyk is old and Inoue is prime, but jumping up to HW and becoming undisputed trumps any of their accomplishments).

 

Canelo couldnt even stop a guy who was 2 weight classes smaller than him. Canelo couldnt stop an old GGG and Mungia has always struggled against B level fighters so now that is not an impressive win by Canelo.

Spence was better than any opponent Canelo beat (besides GGG 2nd time, debatable win)

 

These Inoue fans are absurd. It's Usyk and it's not even close.

 

Usyk but I can see an argument for Inoue as well.
Half of these people here shouldn’t even be up for debate.
Crawford’s resume is wack.
Canelo has lost 3-4 times now.
Bivol is only relevant because of his win over someone who had no business fighting in LHW.
Tank still needs to prove himself by fighting someone like Lopez or Loma.

 

I must say, I’m very intrigued by the two people who voted for Beterbeiv.

 

Usyk has been #1 for quite some time. If anything, he exposes the obnoxious mental gymnastics of the Ring.

 

This question always depends on who was the most recent in the ring. It's a silly argument, but fun argument to have at times. Similar to the "Face of Boxing" label.

Inuoe and Crawford had fought in the same week last year. Inuoe in the middle of the week and Crawford that weekend. Inoue won in a hard fought battle vs Fulton. The argument was he was the #1 p4p. Crawford goes in and dominates Spence who was argued to be top 5 to become undisputed for the 2nd time. Crawford becomes the hands down #1 p4p guy in the public's eye. Canel fights Charlo about a month later....and people forget about Crawford's feat and Canelo is that guy now. I can continue but y'all see the point.

It really comes down to who you are a fan of personally. There's certain names on that list that I honestly don't know HOW they are even referenced in the argument beyond their popularity like Tank Davis.

Looking at the results of the votes, Usyk's most recent win is the deciding factor. Inoue in second, with Crawford in 3rd...... Truthfully, no other name should even be considered at this point in time, but the diehard followers of the other names will/have make the push in the argument.