Did Robinson duck Ezzard Charles?

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I read that Robinsons manager proposed him moving up to fight Ezzard Charles and he steadfastly refused.
     
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    Totentanz. Gator Wrestler Extraordinaire banned Full Member

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    I doubt that anybody would take that proposal.
     
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    newurban99 Active Member Full Member

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    At one point someone suggested that Ray fight Patterson, who would have beaten him badly. In his long career Ray was never overmatched against a bigger opponent. He chose his fights wisely. Even Maxim was a heady choice. But Ray couldn't control the weather. If not for the excessive heat that night, he would have won that one easily. But then if he had captured the light-heavyweight title, would he have taken on Archie Moore or Harold Johnson? Not such a good idea, methinks.
     
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    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    Joey Maxim wasn't really a 'heady' choice. If you were a middleweight and wanted to move up and fight for the light heavyweight title, at that point in time, you had to fight Joey Maxim. There were not 14 champions at that weight.
    Did he duck Ezzard Charles? That is just gibberish. But, to put it in perspective, 20 days before Robinson fought Maxim for the light heavy title, Charles fought Walcott for the heavyweight title.
     
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    I believe the story of Robinson haggling himself out of a fight with Moore, it was true to his reputation - had he got his way he would’ve fought the “Mongoose” so why not the “Cobra”? I don’t think Sugar Ray would’ve passed on any fight that paid well enough. Heck If history told me it was Louis and not Moore at that dinner table I’d believe it.
     
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    bolo specialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Robinson gave away as much as 16 lbs to LaMotta, a ranking MW, at a time when Robi had only recently moved up from 135.

    For most WW-sized fighters, that would be considered overmatching.

    But for Robinson, it was Tuesday.
     
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    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    being realistic about Size disparities is Not the same as a Duck... Most fighters never fought UP Out of their natural weights, most would wait until they moved up to the next Division naturally toward their latter career when 'growing' out of a division.
     
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    Coward!
     
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    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ray steered away from Burley, let alone Charles, and for a good reason.

    Charles was such a sublime boxer with real pop in his punches.
     
  10. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Robinson avoiding Charles is not a duck, it's common sense
     
  11. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Pretty harsh judgment
     
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    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    So you think Charles stops Robinson?
     
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    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes
     
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    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I think that there are some reasonable scenarios where a fighter can legitimately turn down an offer without it being labeled as a “ duck. “
     
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    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Anything out of a fighter’s normal weight class, turning down is not a duck (well, unless he also fights regularly above his ‘normal’ weight class).

    I know at one point a Michael Spinks-Marvin Hagler fight was discussed or at least kicked around. I don’t consider Marvin to have ducked Spinks by choosing to stay in his weight class.