Give Mike Tyson a grade

reaction speed -- 9
foot speed -- 7. he wasn't slow, but he wasn't exactly a young Ali.
hand speed -- 9. the only faster HW hands I've seen would be pre-exile Ali, Floyd Patterson, possibly Joe Louis or Andy Ruiz in the middle of a combo, possibly Joe Frazier when throwing left hooks during the FOTC (seriously, go re-watch that fight; his left hook is off the chart fast there)
strength -- unknowable. he stood squared up so got shoved around in clinches, really hard to know how strong he really was for ring relevant strength as a result (other than for power)
chin/durability/recovery -- 8 -- damn good, but not Mercer, McCall, or Holyfield.
ring iq -- 6. pretty good at reading guys, but he basically only had a Plan A and no ability to adapt/change. That's why I don't rate him high here.
physical genetics -- 9.999999. The only reason he's not a perfect 10 is that he's short. Had he been 6'4, he'd be a perfect 10. But his height doesn't take away that nobody who hit as hard as him ever had his hand speed, and that nobody who had his hand speed ever hit as hard as him. He's the GOAT hand speed/power combo for the division.
head movement -- 10. Doesn't really get better.
power -- 9. he hit damn hard, with both hands, with any kind of punch.
stamina -- 7. had no problems going 12 rounds, but he couldn't keep up his initial assault the entire time.
outfighting ability -- unknowable because he was too short to do it.
mid range fighting ability -- 10. absolutely lethal at mid range. the only way to try to beat him was to NOT be at mid range.
close range fighting ability -- maybe a 6? there are certainly instances of him using hooks/uppercuts from real up close
clinching / fighting out of a clinch ability -- 0. What HW champ has even been worse at this? He'd just go passive and accomplish nothing.

Great fighter in his prime, really really hard to beat.

 

That makes way more sense lol

 

Reaction speed: 8/10, if post Liston pre 70s Ali was a 10

Movement Speed: 8/10 if prime Ali was a 10

Strength: 8/10, if Liston, Foreman and Lewis are in the 9-10 range. I'd say his power is close to theirs but his physical strength not so much.

Chin: 7.5/10, if Chuvalo and McCall are 10/10s.

Intelligence: 6/10 if Joe Louis is a 9/10 and Deontay Wilder's a 3/10

Genetics: 9.5/10 (would be a 10 if he was a bit bigger)

Durability: assuming this is for overall durability aswell as stamina and mental durability, 7.5/10, if Holyfield is a 9/10.

Head Movement: 8/10 if Ali's was an 8.8/10.

Overall: 8.9/10 if Ali is a 9.4.

 

Tyson`s fundamentals were on another level to Wilder`s he head intelligent trainers like Rooney and mentor D`Amato who was a genius while Wilder was trained by idiots.

 

Where is "Heart"?...."Iron" Mike was lacking in that category. If you don't have "Heart"...then all of the other things you mentioned don't mean a thing!

 

That's what I was thinking, his mental toughness was about a C

 

Oh **** off already you tiresome bore.

 

Hope he wasn`t hinting Marciano`s heart would have helped him against Tyson.

 

Reaction speed - 10
Movement speed - 9
Strength - 7.5
Chin - 6
Intelligence - 5 - Tyson was almost babied by Cus, and half his knockouts during his prime were from combos Rooney told him to throw. He completely relied on others.
Physical genetics - 10
Durability - 7.5
Head movement - 10
all for 88'. 90's Tyson probably has a 2 point deduction on all of that, unfortunately

 

No 6/10 chin could take Ruddock`s power, AJ couldn`t have taken Ruddock`s power, he was taught and tutored by Cus which is why his fundamentals were so great, that`s how all boxers should be trained.

 

Reaction speed 9/10
Movement speed 8/10
Physical Strength 7.5/10
Punching Power 8.5/10
Chin 7.5/10
Intelligence (Ring IQ) 6.5/10
Physical genetics 9/10
Stamina 7/10
Head movement 8.5/10
Final grade 8/10

 

Reaction speed 9/10
Movement speed 9/10
Physical strength 7/10
Impact strength 8/10
Chin 10/10 I haven't seen anyone knock him down with one punch, it must have been cumulative before he fell
Intelligence (Ring IQ) 5/10
Physical genetics 8/10
Durability 7/10
Head movement 9/10
Final rating 8.5/10

 

I'm surprised you didn't gave him more in punching power and durability.

 

I think his punching power is overrated, I don't think he hits harder than Shavers, Foreman, Liston, Frazier, Smith, Bruno, Bowe, Lewis, Wlad and a few other fighters. But his strength was that he struck with combinations, his blows were invisible, he struck from different planes and it had a stunning effect. I'm sorry, but in my opinion such surveys are very limited and someone who has even 10/10 will never have to be better than someone who has 7/10. It's just not math, everything has to be correlated. You can have everything 10/10 and all you need is your mentality to be 1/10 and your overall rating will not be higher than 2/10, do you know what I mean? fun but only fun.
In my opinion, Tyson's punching power is overrated, but Chin is underestimated. Tysn withstood terrible bombs. What he got in the fight with Ruddock, Holyfield, Douglas... Lewis hit him many times with his best, trademark right and he still had to push him so that the exhausted Mike finally fell. Actually, all the knockouts he received were due to lack of cardio, but the body of a drug addict and party player who trained more vigorously, especially in the 1990s, could not withstand multi-round fights and quickly burned out.

 

All right, I see what you mean.
But if you think so highly of his chin, why do you gave him just 7 in durability ? Did you meant his stamina ?