I was watching Probox TV and they were talking about the Jake Paul Mike Perry card. JCC jr. is fighting on the undercard, so they discussed his fight as well and when they got on that topic, Paulie Malignaggi destroyed JCC, talked about how he sucked, how he was the worst fighter to become champ... this was all in stark contrast to my estimation of him. Julio was a ****up no doubt and he disgraced himself in the ring (and out of it) a number of times, he was a quitter, all that, but he was a good fighter. He was just held back by his lack of toughness. Since I was so surprised by Paulie's take, I was interested in hearing what the forum thought of him. How would you appraise him as a fighter, quitting aside?
Wasn't his close to his dad's level, but he could have had a decent career if hed been more dedicated to training and less interested in smoking all that ganja.
Maybe would have had more heart without his last name. In the end, JCC Jr proved he had the talent to reach world champion status, but he lacked the discipline to maintain that status.
I don't disagree with your assessment really. You're not crazy. If we take the best Chavez, I certainly wouldn't say he was the worst titlist I've ever seen, nor do I think that's fair, honestly. Even fairly recently, I don't think Charles Martin has been as good as the best Chavez. Yuri Foreman, a good athlete but is he a better fighting man than Chavez was, best for best? Jeez, I don't know about that. As far as "Regular" champions from the WBA, archaic, depleted, never better at his best than Chavez to begin with, Charr, held that lauded distinction. And Zbik, with his glowing 30-2 record, did drop the title to Chavez. I don't remember thinking that was a gift. But it also didn't leave the world's strongest impression, so, maybe I don't remember what I thought at the time. Chabbit Junior's combo of good handspeed, serious chin, big for his best class (I understand how loaded saying this is) and good power, and the skill displayed against Lee, and the complete pistol whipping he did receive and go to the final bell for against Martinez, as far as where he can go for toughness (despite more often getting on the wrong side of the toughness spectrum, often and in line with spoiled brattery) I don't think you can say that his best displays show him as one of the worst guys who ever became champion or that he was bad or only had family connections. There were good things there. I don't like him, I agree about all the breaks he's been cut, but I don't think we should pretend he wouldn't have been up there somewhere in the rankings regardless. Roach wanted to work with him and I just don't think he'd want to waste his time if he thought he was only looking at a talentless bum living on dad's name. He probably saw what we saw-a pretty good caliber of fighter with another star's name. That's not something everyone wants to champion but as long as we don't forget the part that he did have some ability, it's the reality.
At his best, good not great but this was before drugs, disinterest, and slacking in training ruined him. On the lucky side of some decisions based on his name, other deceht wins he deserved.
If you scored it for Junior, I don't understand about it being a gift. I have no idea what I scored it yet, if I get to it. Hell, maybe I thought it was a gift at the time.
People were always too harsh on Chavez Jr. He beat some good fighters and overall has a fairly deep resume. Pressure of being Chavez' son in Mexico and abroad probably contributed to his troubles outside the ring.