How did Parker lose to Joyce ?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by PistonHondai, Jul 31, 2024.

  1. PistonHondai

    PistonHondai Active Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2019
    Messages:
    543
    Likes Received:
    394
    What did Parker do wrong?
     
  2. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2021
    Messages:
    4,128
    Likes Received:
    7,485
    Came in too heavy and was too willing to trade.

    Wrong tactics entirely.

    Joyce on his day wasn't a bad fighter, and Parker has definite off days.
     
    velagod, Mickc, tee_birch and 8 others like this.
  3. Kiwi_in_America

    Kiwi_in_America The Tuaminator Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2006
    Messages:
    5,537
    Likes Received:
    3,362
    Parker has said he came in sick with a bad flu.

    But also his tactics were wrong
     
  4. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2016
    Messages:
    14,018
    Likes Received:
    19,083
    How? Parker's not really that good and fights in a weak era maybe?
     
  5. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2021
    Messages:
    5,188
    Likes Received:
    6,887
    It was his style on that night.
     
    Dementia Pugulistica likes this.
  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2009
    Messages:
    80,507
    Likes Received:
    132,035
    He thought he was facing a slow fighter and found out the hard way he'd made a terrible miscalculation and that he was actually facing a slow-fast speed one

    And obviously when any non Brit steps up to Brit Level they're always going to find the waters a lot more choppy

    Big Joe, AJ, Chisora, Whyte. Hughie, Massey all gave him 10-12 very tough rounds but when J-Park stepped down in levels and fought The Dosser he won every round at a canter
     
  7. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2021
    Messages:
    4,186
    Likes Received:
    6,681
    Wrong gameplan, wrong weight, flu apparently. That and Joyce always had his arguments.
     
    oldcanvasback likes this.
  8. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2011
    Messages:
    48,335
    Likes Received:
    37,281
    Everyone throwing out various excuses while all I can think is: "Because Joyce was actually good?"
    Zhang ruined Joyce and now he is underrated because of it.
     
  9. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2013
    Messages:
    245,994
    Likes Received:
    241,976
    How did he lose to Chisora and need a gift SD to bail him out?

    To answer your question, styles make fights. Parker isn't all that great against relentless pressure fighters who he can't hurt, while he excels against slow footed low output guys who he's faster than.
     
    Inglis_1, Bokaj, Aburius and 4 others like this.
  10. TMLT87

    TMLT87 Active Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2021
    Messages:
    1,057
    Likes Received:
    1,140
    Joyce had a good chin and a good motor for such a big guy. That meant he could keep applying sustained pressure to break people down.

    Basically...he was actually quite good. Then Zhang (and maybe age too to some extent) ruined him.
     
    Sugar 88, Aburius, BCS8 and 7 others like this.
  11. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2005
    Messages:
    31,313
    Likes Received:
    29,496
    Simply came in too heavy and with the wrong tactics. While what he did worked with Chisora it was all wrong for Joyce.

    That loss in part led to the success we are seeing from Parker now. Under Lee they were clearly trying to make Parker into the big bruiser who would try to walk down fighters but he never had the power for that so we saw a change in style for Wilder and Zhang and it paid off. Which says a lot about Parker, that he can learn, change and adapt from a loss.

    I'd favour Parker now over Joyce. He would try to box him this time, try to take away the jab which would make Joyce far less accurate and probably wins a decision.
     
    Last edited: Jul 31, 2024
  12. Kiwi_in_America

    Kiwi_in_America The Tuaminator Full Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2006
    Messages:
    5,537
    Likes Received:
    3,362
    You're right

    The Joyce loss was the disaster that Parker needed to revolutionize his game

    Onward and upward
     
    Dementia Pugulistica and BCS8 like this.
  13. TheWizard

    TheWizard I Got Milk Baby Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2021
    Messages:
    1,487
    Likes Received:
    2,478
    Because it was simply a terrible style matchup for Parker. Not enough power to hurt Joyce, not enough stamina to keep up with him and not a good enough mover to just avoid him.

    Also, Joyce's jab was really ****ing Parker up, even early on.
     
  14. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2007
    Messages:
    36,057
    Likes Received:
    24,043
    because parker and his team arent that good. joyce is about as simple a style as you will face at world level, and team parker was too weak to prepare for it. if you need multiple tries to figure joyce out, you suck.
     
  15. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2018
    Messages:
    6,509
    Likes Received:
    5,696
    Timing is everything, he met him at the perfect time, Joyce was on form and Parker wasn’t great at the time.