Educate me: Cleveland “BigCat” Williams

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  1. bolo specialist

    bolo specialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's like a reverse Midas.
     
  2. Totentanz.

    Totentanz. Gator Wrestler Extraordinaire banned Full Member

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    I don't know why I've heard it so much in the past day or so, but was Williams REALLY overrated? I think that the closest those two words have come together within reason before is people talking about Ali's performance against him.
     
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  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes I posted it,but he didnt die once let alone twice.
    Conn weighed 168lbs when he fought Louis.
     
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  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Lamotta weighed
    169lbs on26th April 1941 V Crane
    170lbs on 3rd Feb 1950 V Wagner`
    168 3/4lbs on28th Mar 1950 V Hunter
    169 3/4lbs on Apr 4th 1950 V Taylor
    171lbs on 27th Jun 1951 V Murphy.Murphy was no 3
    169 1/4lbs on 28th Jun 1952 V Hayes
    168 1/2lbs on5th Mar1952 V Hairston
    169 1/4lbs on11th Jun1952 V Murphy. Murphy was no6
    173lbs on31stDec1953 V Nardico. Nardico was no5

    There are more, but these will show you don't know WTF you are talking about.

    N.B. Conn was 6ft 1 1/2in and turned pro weighing135lbs,he weighed inside the welter limit for14 fights and inside the middle limit for a further 25 fights.
    Lamotta never fought at welter weight.
     
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  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think very, very few would pick him against any of those. And only for trolling reasons.

    And "fringe contender"... He was top 5 for a few years before he got shot, so don't know if he was only a fringe contender. As others have said, I think he's ranked with the Lyles, Shavers and Ruddocks here. An incomplete fighter that you can never completely rule out due to his power.

    I also felt that he was overrated here a few years back, but think it has levelled out.
     
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  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    I've literally never seen one person here favor him over Ali, Louis, or Foreman, while not trolling. Literally not a single person.
     
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  7. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    There’s NO WAY OUT Boxing Fool. Your OWN words. LHW didn’t and has never started at 175.

    Correct, SMW didn’t exist as the time in question so 167 fell into the weight range reserved for LHW.

    During the period under discussion LHW was > 160 and up to including 175.

    There was NO SMW division - you said it yourself but NOW you’re trying to pretend that there was???

    You don’t know your ass from your elbow. You shouldn’t be trying to discuss weight classes or anything else boxing related when you’re only armed with a straw weight brain.
     
  8. JohnThomas1

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    Don't forget to add there's not a snowflakes chance in hell he'd get that right either.
     
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  9. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Nope because only fool is you and as I stated LHW was from 168 and above.

    Yes before 1920, but after that LHWs were above 168 and LaMotta was not one.
     
  10. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He did die twice according to him and his biography.

    He was a LHW but LaMotta wasn't, he was smaller man than Conn.
    Canelo fought Bivol but is he a LHW?
     
  11. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Because he couldn't get in shape and got comfortable with easy opponents, he was always listed as one of the greatest MW, he was never mentioned as a LHW.
     
  12. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The man replied to you about his death, and yes it because stabbing wounds.
     
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  14. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not a single valid argument as I stated.

    I gave you proof that Lyle had as bad injury as Williams and later died because of it.

    Ask any good boxing historian if LaMotta is a LHW and they'll laugh at you.
     
  15. bolo specialist

    bolo specialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Neither his post nor the Denver Post obit here specifies that his death was "because stabbing wounds."

    On top of that, the 2nd part of his post that you quoted in support of your argument raises questions as to whether Lyle exaggerated or outright lied about his prison injuries.
     
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