If everyone retired today, who would rank the highest all-time? Meaning, what active fighter (not including Floyd/Manny/Tyson/Roy etc. who do exhibitions) has had the greatest career? Usyk? Going undisputed at heavweight as a former cruiserweight probably most impressive wins/achievement. Canelo? Probably deepest resume. Chocolatito? Inoue? Bud Crawford? Pretty sure these are the main candidates. Who is it?
Canelo not in 1000 years. He lost twice to old GGG, that eliminates him from any discussion automatically. For me it's Lomachenko, if all current boxers were the same size Loma would be the best
Usyk and Chocolatito have the best resumes. I'd say Usyk edges it out of the two, maybe. Canelo and Estrada are next, then the likes of Crawford, Inoue and Loma, probably in that order. Crawford, Loma and Inoue look incredible on film, but as far as overall opposition beaten goes, they're still behind the first 4. Maybe they'll surpass Estrada, But I think that only Inoue is young enough to probably do it at this point.
I definitely agree, skill wise. If everybody is the same size but for me even though Usyk almost always goes the distance, he's the most unbeatable of the above listed. There's been more menacing, bigger punchers, more skilful dudes come along but Usyk has the ability to change momentum in a fight better than anybody I have seen. Yes, there's been big punchers who literally have pulled a fight outta the bag with one punch. However consistently adapting during a fight and digging deep to reverse momentum, Usyk is the one. Mentally he's the best.
You can't use "if's" in this conversation! Honesty, I don't know when fans stopped using level of opposition and accomplishments and started using hypothetical match ups to determine a fighters greatness. Fighters should be judged on what they did and who they did it to. Nothing more.
For me it's Usyk because out of all the top P4P fighters hes the only one consistently beating much bigger fighters and fighting on the road.
But in my eyes and in the eyes of 70% + of people GGG won the first and second fights. I am not going to elevate someones legacy because some people who never held a boxing glove in their hand judges the cash cow to be the victor. I can't judge Canelo as he has too many asteriks and at least 3 fights that he should have lost but got the decision. Going by the same AI model that has been used officially recently, GGG outlanded Canelo nearly 2:1 across the two fights, he didn't do anything to GGG, judges did that
Although I don't worship him like many others, there is no denying usyks greatness and for me is number 1 However, I enjoy watching inoue. The guy is absolutely sensational
My post was aimed at the guy that stated if Loma was as big as Usyk, Crawford, ect, he would win. In my opinion, that should not matter. As far as GGG and Canelo goes, I feel history will give G his props and rank G higher than Canelo at 160. The question is, should Canelo be ranked higher over all because he accomplished more.
Just done a YT video on this. Feel free to check it out here: This content is protected It's not ranked on my personal opinion, instead I've used a specific criteria which has considered various factors such as world champions beaten, length of reign, strength of opposition etc.
Usyk earned that **** after beating Fury, before the Fury fight it’d be up for grabs between Inoue, Bud and Usyk.
I honestly still think Inoue but it's close. Realistically speaking, Usyk would get the most plaudits being a heavyweight with Inoue being a lighter weight. Their accomplishments are very similar though, they're both ATGs easily.
In my opinion it is Usyk, Inoue and Loma. Loma's record isn't pristine like the other two mentioned but I think that is a product of him campaigning way above his natural weight; had he operated solely at 126 and 130 then I think he would be unequivocally recognised as a P4P great.