Joe Louis vs modern heavyweights

His skillset isn't average in any era and certainly not this one, he just sucks. Sometimes he throws a competent jab here and there but 90% of the time it's an arm punch to set up for the right. He rarely uses it consistently.

Better technician than the Baers and Galento? Probably, but how much of an accomplishment is that? Those three also suck.

 

@Pedro_El_Chef I summon thee to join thy discussion

 

Honestly, ever since the last Fury fight, he’s almost completely neglected the jab. It was non-existent in his fight with Parker. He used to use it to set up that right.

 

I was actually rewatching the first Fury fight upon reading this thread to get a better idea of Wilder's jab since it was the best performance I've seen from him.

His jab is there, don't get me wrong. But would I say it's a fundamentally correct jab most of the time? Not really, it's well placed when he throws it but he often just wings it without putting weight, nor stepping into it, like he's throwing it out there merely to open Fury up.

To Wilder's credit, he's so fast and that's all he really needs to open his opponent up. His speed is what separates him from Galento and the Baers imo, though I think Max had pretty underrated speed.

 

The fact that his jab is merely there, is more than enough to put him over Max, and Galento who had no semblance of jabs. As I stated, when he bothered to use it, like the fifth round against Washington, it was very effective in setting up the right.

 

The first fight with Ortiz Wilder was almost KO’d himself and has been completely exposed as a hype job with his last two dismal performances

You think big lump Zhang is better than a prime sharp Louis

 

Wilder is a shot fighter now. That’s clear as day.

 

I don’t see it he has always fought in the same way the only difference now is he isn’t fighting hand picked opponents and is exposed

Do you think Wilder from the Ortiz fights would have beaten Zhang or Parker he had no idea what to do in either fight

 

Wilder doesn’t have average skills. Galento had more skill. I mean that whole heartedly and I think little of him. Wilders only talent is he has freak strength good speed and length he never learned how to use it. He leaves himself to open and if ever fought an extremely talented aggressive man like Louis who wouldn’t let him off the hook he wouldn’t last long. Had he fought AJ in his prime he would have found out

 

That’s rich…you discussing IQs. The fact that you’d compare Wilder with Galento as opposed to Wilder w Baer brothers shows you’re a moron. Completely different fighters clown. You’re not worth even responding to so shame on me

 

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Max did have defense although he was always vulnerable to straight lefts, for Buddy it's hard to make an assessment of considering the only footage we have of him is him getting dominated by Louis both times. According to boxrec he busted up Galento with the jab, so Arcel did teach him how to use it. Resume wise he has a respectable win ratio over top tenners, he wasn't getting by just by beating on cans.
Considering that all three had legitimate ko wins over ranked fighters, it's not inconceivable they'd rank in the 60s when nothing but a draw could net you the number 2 spot.

Wilder got his *** kicked every time he stepped up to face meaningful opposition, he has far worse things going for him than getting dropped by Galento. Knocking on Louis for getting knocked down while in the process of demolishing the division and establishing a twelve year reign is silly. Even so, for any criticism he might get for the knockdowns, the question is in regards to his comparison against SHW, with that in mind, Joshua was blown away by a fat 6"1 Ruiz, Lennox was one punched twice, Fury got dropped by a 36 year old 208 lbs Cunningham and then dropped again by an absolute novice, Wlad had a notoriously shakey chin. Either way you look at things, Louis suffering knockdowns but not much else isn't as detrimental to his standing as the debacles the very best of the SHWs went through.
His chin was excellent and his recuperative powers were even better. It's like Holmes getting dropped by Shavers even though he could have easily shut him out 15-0 like last time, sometimes things don't always go to plan (or Holmes getting dropped all the other times I don't need to mention).
It's not like Louis struggled against Galento or Buddy save for the flash KDs.

 

His last performances simply show that he is washed up, nothing more.

 

Galento was just a fat tub of lard.

 

So your saying if Parker or Zhang faced Wilder before Fury took his soul the result would have been different