Anthony Oluwafemi Olaseni Joshua vs. Daniel Raphael Dubois

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AJ or DDD (goddamn, these initialisms as nicknames are trash...)

Poll closed Sep 21, 2024.
  1. Joshua on points

    5.3%
  2. Joshua by stoppage

    72.0%
  3. Draw

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Dubois on points

    1.5%
  5. Dubois by stoppage

    21.2%
  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Twenty-first of September at Wembley. Twelve rounds scheduled in the heavyweight division for the IBF world championship, first defense of Dubois*. Joshua, who reigned with the belt twice from 2016-18 and then again in 2019-20, is ranked #3 but in effect is the highest rated mandatory contender as slots 1 & 2 are vacant.

    *Dubois claimed the interim championship when he defeated Filip Hrgović on June first. Later in that same month, Usyk vacated the full title with the intention of letting Dubois and Joshua vie for it - but the IBF decided to upgrade Dubois and make him the full champ - so he's on the record books as one already, regardless of the outcome versus Joshua.

    Common opponents include:
    • Oleksandr Oleksandrovich Usyk - defeated Joshua by UD in 2021 and SD in 2022, and Dubois via KO9 last year.

    • Kevin Blue Vladimirovich Johnson - lost to Joshua via TKO2 in 2015, and to Dubois via referee's decision in 2018.

    • Dorian Darch - lost to Joshua via TKO2 in 2014, and to Dubois also via TKO2 in 2017.
     
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  2. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    Joshua by KO. He has better boxing skills than Hrgovic, harder punches and his stamina issues aren’t nearly as severe. Hrgovic was landing his right consistently on Dubois until his stamina drained. Also Dubois can’t get away with head butting Joshua over and over
     
  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I agree with you overall, but on paper there are factors making it kinda interesting...

    Joshua has a big edge in power - but Dubois isn't exactly feather-fisted.
    Dubois has a big edge in chin - but isn't exactly invulnerable himself.

    AJ should be favored but DDD by KO isn't unthinkable. :deal:
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    And in fact Joshua is the favorite, at -420. Dubois is +390, and the draw is +1600 at FanDuel.

    (BetMGM has -400 / +300 / +2200)
     
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  5. oiky

    oiky Gypsy Boy Full Member

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    Unless dubois gets an early ko I can't see past AJ ko within 7 rounds

    Joyce, a man not renowned for speed, had no business hitting dubois as much as he did, and hrgovic couldn't miss him

    Think them AJ right hands batter him tbh
     
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  6. Rilz

    Rilz Ball don't lie! Full Member

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    AJ is going to land as many clean right hands as it takes to get DD out of there. I don't think this will be very competitive unfortunately.

    I'll be rooting for DD though!!!
     
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  7. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    I've seen this asserted plenty... I have to admit, I don't get it.

    Joshua's fought bigger punchers than Dubois and... Dubois has been stopped more?

    And when we say "stopped" we mean "quit/retired" - neither has been sparked clean.


    When it comes to common opponents... Usyk stopped Dubois with accumulation - Joshua got hit plenty across two bouts but took the punishment the better out of the two?


    If anything, I'd say Joshua has a moderate advantage in the chin department - but both are solid rather than outstanding.
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Once more. And both times he quit, once because of a fractured eye socket and once because Usyk was schooling him and he was too gassed to be arsed.

    Sure. Neither has ever been KTFO and posterized like, say, Amir Khan - but # of stoppages isn't the be-all end-all. In the amateurs and pros, we've seen Joshua hurt more, hence the persistent doubts about his chin.

    Again, as has been mentioned, that speaks to AJ having a better gas tank (and more heart, arguably) than DDD.

    I'd agree they're both in the average range in punch resistance, with Joshua's fiercest critics often selling his a bit short - but would still put Dubois higher.
     
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  9. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Trust me, Dubois will have the best fight of his career so far and he will stop Joshua, Joshua is just pretending to be badass and not scared while they were sitting at the table and Joshua threatening to smash the Chair over Dubois's face, at that moment he couldn't control his emotions while Dubois almost certainly kept his cool, I'm rooting for Dubois because he has real human qualities and it would make a great boxing story...
     
  10. BubblesUK

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    To be fair, I don't actually disagree with this - the quit against Joyce was fair cop.

    The quit against Usyk was the more damaging IMHO - he still had a punchers chance, it wasn't a good look... This one was a softer quit than Joshua's against Ruiz, IMHO.

    Then again, we've seen Joshua fighting much, much bigger punchers than Dubois... I suppose you could argue that Dubois being a bit easier to hit means he takes more punishment, albeit from less heavy hands, but then Joshua isn't that hard to hit either.

    Fair - but at that point, neither chin was the problem... Certainly not to the point where it'd argue in favour of Dubois.

    I would say both are a bit above average, but they're not anywhere near the guys who can take a lot of heat and keep marching forward (Parker generally, Joyce before Zhang, even Miller).

    I can't see any evidence that puts Dubois higher.

    They're both big enough punchers to hurt the other - I don't think there's any chin advantage for Dubois that'd cancel out a noticeable power advantage that Joshua has (if and when he commits to a big punch or gets a combo off)...

    Dubois is the more likely of the two to take risks with big hail Mary's, which gives him some chance - just not that much, I don't think.
     
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  11. BubblesUK

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    I've seen far less objectionable in Dubois character, so I'd be happy for him to win...

    But I'm not trusting this by a long way :lol:

    On pretty near every metric I have Joshua at some kind of advantage - Dubois is definitely the underdog for good reason.
     
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  12. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree with you that Dubois is the underdog for a reason because people just don't believe in him, but we would all love for the fight to be competitive, which it probably will be...
     
  13. BubblesUK

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    No... The reason isn't because people just don't believe in him - people believing in you doesn't make you good... If it did, every hypejob would live up to the crazy claims :lol:

    The reason Dubois is the underdog is because he's far, far less proven - and even with his recent form, there are still doubts about his heart and his ability at the very top level.
     
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  14. BlackDog

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    Vote for Joshua by stoppage. I cross finger for Anthony for log time and want him win this and take Fury head off after this one.
    But i'm little worried. To this day I have no idea how this shy boy who quit when situation in the ring became difficult survive Hrgovic attacks from first rounds. No idea. Even commentators said that Hrgovic just make practice shooting from his head. That was painfull to watch this and probably 90% of people think that few more seconds and we will see "knee situation" again.
    How he survive? I dont know how but they find way to fix his main problems.

    If Dubois like this come saturday for fight Joshua Anthony might have a problem. Yes. Joshua on paper is better fighter than Dubois. But sport is more complicated. A special boxing where one wrong move can cost You fight or even carrer. Not always better fighter winning fight.

    But still I belive that Joshua is much more difficult than Hrgovic who make many mistake in Dubois fight. Joshua is 100% pro and he left behind mental issue named "ignorance". Filip probably think that he just start punches and this poor kid will be destroyed just like happend in past. He even dont had plan "b" when forcing attack dont work. Stamina was also on poor level.
    Joshua is smarter. He knew that anybody can destroy Your dreams when You lost focus. Also he got much better footwork and defence. He is more dinamic too.
    If he can land clean like Hrgovic and be able to not get hit soo often he probably should stop Dubois in later rounds (7-12)
    But Hrgovic got very strong chin. Joshua only quiet good. If he go to war and make big mistake, being late on reaction he can be Koed.

    Imo 70-30% for Anthony but not be massive shock to me if it go other way. Last time I dont have good scores in prediction. Can be that I underrated Daniel and overrated Joshua last times.
     
  15. Dynamicpuncher

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    Joshua by KO Dubois took far too many right hands from Hrgovic if Joshua even hits Dubois with half the amount of flush right hands that Hrgovic landed then Dubois will be face down on the mat.

    I respect Dubois for coming back and showing some heart in recent fights but Joshua is pretty much the better fighter in every attribute and should be a significant favourite in this fight.

    Saying that though Joshua hasn't fought a real dangerous opponent for awhile and Dubois has genuine KO power to turn the fight around.

    Overall I'd make Joshua 70/30 favourite but with two big punchers especially in Heavyweight division anything can happen.