How did Norton get stopped by 188 pound Garcia?

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Norton was 27 at the time, so in his physical prime. And he had a 20 pound weight advantage in that fight. Garcia wasn't exactly a Dempsey or Marciano in punching power, both of whom were in the 180s. It gave me pause when considering how Norton would even do against Bob Foster.

    What gives?
     
  2. Rakesh

    Rakesh Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I believe he was very raw in skills, in his book he had the cliche "I was underprepared, and after that fight, I never underestimated anybody ever again.". This fight was also before he implemented the cross guard.
     
  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    As already mentioned Norton was still very rough around the edges. Needed to improve his game. And I’ve also heard that he had stamina issues early on
     
  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The same reason George Chuvalo lost to a creaking Bob Baker or Jerry Quarry losing to an elderly Eddie Machen or the veteran Howard Davis holding Meldrick Taylor to a draw. They were young and still learning.
     
  5. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Was Machen really elderly?
     
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    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    On a side note, Jose Garcia wasn’t that bad of a fighter. He rose to being the WBA’s #2 contender around 1973 or so
     
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    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I think the general gist of his reply was that Machen was past it and that lots of young fighters were upset by guys they shouldn’t have been.
     
  8. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I heard Ken Norton first picked up the gloves at 23 years old, so he could’ve still been very inexperienced in that fight, then maybe it all suddenly clicked soon after that loss (within a year or 2) would be my guess.
     
  9. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Eddie had been fighting for 11 years going into the Quarry fight, was 1-4-1 his last 6 fights, was 34 years old and less than a year from retirement. Well-chewed, but pulled one off at the expense of a young kid.
     
  10. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    First of all Garcia could really crack. In the rematch, far past his best, Garcia still looked dangerous early. Norton always had a shaken chin. He was dropped three or four times in bouts before the Garcia loss. Against Garcia he was young and got caught. He got better and fought very few punchers.
     
  11. GoldenHulk

    GoldenHulk Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Norton said in his book that he took Garcia very very lightly, that he was overconfident, even Eddie Futch was warning him about his attitude going into the fight.
     
  12. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I believe it’s unfilmed yeah?
     
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  13. Pedro_El_Chef

    Pedro_El_Chef Active Member Full Member

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    What's there to wonder about? He always had a weak chin. Calling it inexperience is grasping at straws.
     
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  14. AntonioMartin1

    AntonioMartin1 Jeanette Full Member

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    Add Jacinto Fuentes holding Wilfredo Gomez to a draw and Antonio Becerra beating Salvador Sanchez to that list.
     
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  15. GoldenHulk

    GoldenHulk Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He has a book out called Going the Distance, I recommend it.