If Fury never went off the rails how successful would aj actually be ?

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  1. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Imo he would've never become champ Fury would've schooled and stopped him. It's interesting to think about. aj only filled the void Fury left, keeping those belts warm until Usyk got em
     
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  2. Melankomas

    Melankomas Corbett beats your favourite fighter Full Member

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    I think prime Fury with his head screwed on right likely beats everyone in his era.
     
  3. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The question is nonsensical. Fury "went off the rails" because he was facing a PEDs charge along with other drug use.

    If you mean that he was never caught, yeah, he'd be super.

    If you mean he never did them, then he might not have even won the title, opening the door for AJ.

    Now in fairness, I have always had problems with the charge, since UKAD let it go 16 months and allowed a title fight to take place, something that they could not explain, which opened the door for a settlement that allowed Fury back. But the point stands that this is a VERY complicated question that depends a lot not on AJ's ability, but on what you believe about Fury.
     
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  4. kirk

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    He didnt fill the void Fury left.
    Fury left no void.
     
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  5. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fury also went off the rails to avoid that Wlad rematch. Let’s not forget Wlad was still a going concern at that point and if he had got Fury back inside the ring within 6-9 months of the first fight he has a good chance to win.

    Let’s not forget a 40 year old on an 18 month lay off was a whisker away from stopping AJ.

    Fury’s mental health crisis was really about ducking Wlad and avoiding culpability for failing a PED test.

    There is no parallel universe where he doesn’t drop the belts and allow AJ a free run at picking them up.
     
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  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    By definition this is untrue. He left a vacated championship.
     
  7. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fury hasn't shown much interest in fighting tough opponents. What makes you think he would ever face AJ?
    He hasn't fought Joyce, or Zhang, or Bakole, or Dubois either
     
  8. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tough isn't the word I would describe aj with
     
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  9. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yet somehow did better than Fury against common opponents what does that say about Fury?
    If Fury actually stepped up and fought better opposition he might have 5 or 6 losses by now, maybe more
     
  10. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You wanna talk common opponents ? Usyk said Fury was the tougher fight. Ben Davison himself said Fury does everything better than aj. He always said that Fury would beat aj. His own damn trainer said this crap

    This dude got smoked by Ruiz, Dubois, completely schooled by Usyk. He's not elite, and no, he isn't tough, because his chin is about as put together as a lego building. How man times has this guy gotten dropped and by extreme underdogs ?

    Fury is overrated and inconsistent but a prime focused Fury beats aj easily and i stand on that. Fury from Klitschko fight makes him look foolish and I can't believe anyone thought otherwise. Watch the Dubois fight over he has fundamentals and power that's it nothing that's stands out, and his ring iq is impoverished. He cannot think more than 1 step ahead he's just a reactionary fighter and nothing more
     
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  11. zwaargewicht

    zwaargewicht New Member banned Full Member

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    Regardless of Joshua’s career trajectory, Fury only ever took chances when his back was against the wall. At the time he fought Klitschko, he was still mostly fighting in the UK at a national level, having ducked the likes of Ustinov and Price. By then, he was knee-deep in his career with 24 fights and was still facing the likes of Christian Hammer and Joey Abell. He had no choice but to go to Germany and fight Klitschko if he wanted to achieve anything beyond being just a domestic name in the UK. Later, he had no option but to take on a bigger name when he had to rebuild his career and clear his name after the PED ban. He still opted for Wilder, understandably, rather than facing Joshua, even though Joshua offered more money and three belts.

    Fury has never shown much interest in building a legacy filled with top fighters. It took two years, a huge payday, a low blow by Dubois, an embarrassing showing against Ngannou, and the resulting massive public backlash for him to finally face Usyk. He was literally dragged into the ring, kicking and screaming, against a "middleweight" he was supposed to beat with one hand tied behind his back. In the past two years or so, he was publicly called out by Bakole, Sanchez, Joyce, Ruiz, Kabayel, and Zhang—all perfectly legitimate top opponents—yet he fought none of them. Instead, we got a Chisora trilogy and the Ngannou fight. So, whatever Joshua was doing or not doing, I don’t think it affected Fury’s career in any way. Fury was always going to be a fighter who milked his Wilder wins with easy cash grabs until the cows come home. After the first Wilder fight, instead of facing Joshua—who called him out again—he fought Tom Schwarz, and it was put on PPV. To call that cynical is an understatement.
     
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