Who Was The Dirtiest Of The Heavyweight Champions?

Try reading the thread. Must I list all the fights that you can view yourself? The holding and hitting? Low blows? Loaded glove accusations? You’re a strange man.
Post me evidence- Mcvey
I post numerous people posting in a whole thread about numerous Liston dirty tactics.
You have nothing- Mcvey
I can’t. I don’t care if you don’t think there’s proof. Watch the fights listen to opponents complaints. Are we really gonna die on the hill that Liston was a boy scout in the ring?

 

I have Marciano as one of the dirtiest fighters what’s your point? Is your claim that Liston wasn’t a dirty fighter at all? Wtf are you even on?
This is a different thread but Maricnso won the Lowry fight…don’t know if you heard. Can you provide evidence he lost or just bs heresy from a reporter or two? That’s right bull**** heresy.

Back to Liston. You want to die on the hill that you think he was a Boy Scout fine. I’ll live in reality. I don’t enjoy arguing with you as you’re not a reasonable individual. As if I said Marciano wasn’t dirty when you can read my initial post and see I said he was prob the dirtiest if not tied for dirtiest.

 

Thanks for the link. I read it through.

Due respect GP but there’s really nothing there in terms of reasonable evidence and the claims were more or less quashed within the thread itself.

Frivolous claims re Liston seem to stick for some people merely because Sonny Liston is the target in question.

Those frivolous claims actually build upon one another AS IF each preceding claim was legit when the bulk of the claims, if not all, have never been proven at all.

To keep it open I’ll preempt reference to Liston hitting Mike De John while he was down.

Liston said it was an honest accident (I don’t believe Sonny had any history for same before or after that fight) and he did acknowledge and apologise for the infraction.

Liston was often the fall guy for smear campaigns - even the cops tracked him hoping to catch him on the smallest slip up.

Sonny was no angel but when it’s surgically dissected on a case by case basis, Liston was very much the victim a lot of claims that ultimately boiled down to fake news.

 

Jem Ward is your dirtiest champion of all time, it's not close.

 

I suppose that’s open to interpretation. I put a lot of emphasis on a person’s intent, so to me, a failed effort to break the arm is not that distinct from succeeding.

 

It’s questionable to say he qualifies per the thread, though.

 

Well in my case I'd state Tyson tried to break his arm rather than Tyson broke his arm. There's a big difference between true and correct and incorrect. If I tried to bash up peak Mike Tyson in the street and had all intent to do so I wouldn't be saying I bashed up Mike Tyson because i'd be lucky to live. Or i could say Michael Spinks knocked out Tyson. Well he had the intent to do so (tho you might argue lol)

It brings up a good question actually - how many have had their arm broken via a foul in boxing?

 

Yes, and Dundee’s opinions on the matter have been repeated many times but like a lot of other details, some people just don’t want to know.

They fix Liston as the forever bad guy so whatever mud was thrown his way, despite lack of evidence, still sticks in their minds. Quite ridiculous really.

 

You beat me to it.
Holmes and his thumbs.
Too many of his opponents complained about his thumbing tactics for it not to hold some validity .

 

Don't know about an arm, but I do remember Benitez breaking his ankle from a shot from Davey Moore.
Benitez got hit by a solid right hand, fell weirdly, broke his ankle.
The fight was a warning of Benitez's sudden slide from the top. Even though he was still a young man. Like he woke up one morning and just didn't have it anymore.