When people say 18-3 to discredit Lomachenko

I am white ( although that was debatable innthe 19th and early 20th centuries), and I'm bad, I'm nationwide, so I guess im a white nationalist.

Now that that issue is out of the way, once again, I ask for a definition of "All Time Great"?
I can't get a real figure for BHOF inductees....I think there are 271. Are they all ATG? if so surely Loma will be inducted someday and under that definition is an ATG.

Does anyone in here dispute that Loma should be in the BHOF?

 

Agreed. He has a beautiful style. But at the end of the day, what matters most is who you beat. You can look as flashy as you want, but if you lose to a crude slugger (just making a point), it doesn't mean much.

 

If his name was Vasili Lomagustavo he would be undefeated right now.

 

The Mayweather ball bag swingers will always hate Loma as they know if he was afforded the same opportunities as Floyd he would’ve surpassed him but Loma always had the deck stacked against him and his only legit loss he was clearly injured. Also if Loma had gotten the decision against Lopez it really wouldn’t have been seen as that big of a robbery as it was much closer than Floyd Castillo 1

 

Yikes!!!!

I wasn't expecting Floyd's name in this thread....

 

Loma is the most skilled fighter I have ever seen. He had everything at his natural weight.


HE is just unlucky.

 

Okay but @Dynamicpuncher in his OP was pretty moderate - he specified verbatim that in his opinion Loma isn't quite ATG. He's taking guff from Jack for saying that much, while getting it from the other side from Eternal accusing him of being a testicular embracer.

I think Loma's extremist fans - and I get it, they're obnoxious, and the "downloading the data" memes in his prime got old in no time, after seeing less than one percent of them - have made it so that many people who might not consider themselves haters nonetheless have a bit of VDS (Vasyl Derangement Syndrome) where there's a knee-jerk instinct to clap back at the slightest positive or non-critical mention of him.

 

i really dont see the problem either way. there are other fighters who are at least 20-0 who arent being compared to loma. why? because of that very context you seem to feel people dont provide. lomas 20 fights arent like other fighters 20 fights. he is being judged fairly.

 

Lomachenko is an instant HOFer for beating Devin Haney like a woman around the ring for 12 rounds while being 36 year old, 300+ amateur fights of wear and tear, weighing 30lbs less than him in the ring, Haney's cousin referee, 3 blind bats or should say rats judging at the ringside.

 

Loma is hard to rate because his haters downplay him and his fans overrate his resume .

 

I always just tell them that these ‘losses’ are clearly out there to watch on multiple different platforms and many people aren’t as dumb as the ones attempting to use that method to discredit Loma. THANK GOD. So thankfully they can still watch Loma’s fights against Saleazo, Lopez and Nuclear Nostrils haney then judge for themselves

I also tell them that NONE of those L’s on Loma’s record were as clear as mayweather’s unofficial loss to Castillo in their first fight Nor were they as clear as Canelo’s unofficial Loss to Triple G in their first one. Hits home because oddly enough (Not Really) the ones always trying to point to the L’s on Loma’s record are mayweather and Canelo fans. WEIRD!

 

He's probably going to retire now... damn im gunna miss Loma.. but it's pretty obvious he's had enough & who can blame him especially after that Haney debacle .. I follow him on Facebook and he's been posting a lot of religious stuff lately too, i genuinely think Kambosos was his last hurrah, lovely performance to go out on tho.. people can hark on about tank but for years he never wanted it and good on loma for not being the whipping boy for these LW queens to build their legacy.. a bit like triple G nobody fancied it years ago but as soon as he started aging they all called him out.. Hope he enjoys his retirement .. respect champ was a privilege watching you.. I often wonder what more you could have done had you turn pro four years earlier

 

Following the logic of giving close & lost fights to sLomo we might as well role reverse and have him @17-4 calling his Jamaine win a robbery. What goes around, comes around, baby.

The sLomo delusion has grown beyond Pactaration w/inconsistencies like a fake 450-1 justiyng Bob Arum literally BUYING WORLD TITLE OPPORTUNITIES LOMA NEVER EARNED in the pro ranks, like Saliddadio @1-0 & T-Rex after a clear loss. Some ppl. spend years sitting on earned mandatory opportunities and never get a world title fight and you know what we call others jumping line via money? CORRUPTION. Then he's excused for losing to 12-loss Saliddaddio for only having 1 pro fight, what happened to the 451-fights that justified the corrupt opportunity or the 6-0 pro rule fights @WSOB?

Then there's the career of excuse making when underperforming. Too green vs. small 12 loss Salido. He hit my bawwwwwl so hard I couldn't effectively box on the inside because I never learned how. Green inconsistent Lopez too big! Green Haney a weight bully! Excuse me, who's forced Loma to move to 135 and how's he too small if his career average weight puts him at the very class and is Gervonta sized? How's he too small yet his career best win is over two divisions & sizes smaller Rigo in a disgrace of a name grab?

2nd best win being Walters who caught Nonito at the right time & size, 3rd best is aging Linares who's been sparked early before and after. There's substance in sLomo's record but nowhere near P4P5 and B* please stop calling him a future HOFer and ATG that in his prime could beat Floyd when he couldn't handle 12-loss Saliddadio's close range style and surprise, never fought someone similar since. No shame in Saliddadio fathering him tho, you buy a world title opportunity jumping line ahead of true earners, and you get what you paid for.