Oleksandr Oleksandrovych Usyk vs. Tyson Luke Fury II - Usyk 226 lbs, Fury 281 lbs

Fury does better in rematches.

John McDermott 1, Fury struggled and perhaps should have lost. In the rematch he was switched on properly and got the KO win.

Derek Chisora 1, Fury wins a clear decision. Rematch, Chisora gets stopped.

Deontay Wilder 1, Fury should have won a close decision. Rematch Fury batters Wilder.

So I expect Fury to do better this time round. Now that he knows what to expect. Only thing is, he 36, while in those other rematches he still looked hungry.

 

Fury. Close points or late stoppage IF he is 'on'....Usyk wide points or mate stoppage if Tyson is 'off'. I see many areas where Fury can improve but I think that was the best Usyk...

 

I think the 1st fight is the best we've seen of Fury in a long time and I don't think he comes in any better for the rematch.

 

Interesting. Time will tell. I thought Fury passing about and the ease of the rounds he won cost him the fight. I can't see Usyk doing better. As ever, I may be well wide of the mark!!!

 

People do understand that Fury can learn about Usyk as well right?

"Usyk's worked him out, Fury gets destroyed in the rematch..." etc etc. blah blah blah.

But maybe not....

In Usyk's recent rematch with AJ he performed (slightly) worse - almost as if AJ and his team have the capacity to work out Usyk as much as Usyk can work out any of his opponents.

In all of Fury's rematches he has performed significantly better second time around.

The other problem (sort of) for Usyk is that it's very hard to justify changing strategy when you just won and it's even harder when you've never lost.

Of course Usyk will go into this with tremendous confidence and rightly so, but confidence is a very inflexible thing.

Fury on the other hand will be inclined to throw the old strategy out and come in with a completely different approach, partly because he lost and partly because he's an extreme personality that hasn't the inclination to "tinker".

I guarantee that Usyk comes in with the same strategy as before with maybe a minor adjustment to try and avoid Fury's right uppercut. Fury conversely will change tac significantly, I have no doubt.

 

I think in general, an orthodox fighter will fight better against a southpaw in a rematch, simply by having rounds in the bank against the more awkward stance hes not used to fighting against.

 

So who do you thinks nearer their prime Serge?

The man who's lived like a monk or the man who's been an alcoholic and drug addict who doesnt live the life, whilst ballooning up to 28stone during 3 years out i
Of the ring?

 

Usyk is 37 so if you're going to bring up the age excuse also mention Usyk is older than Fury.

Infact when the fight takes place Usyk will be 1 month shy of 38.

 

Usyk has also had 300+ Amateur fights and has alot of wear and tear himself in a different way.

 

Fury in between fights is a part time alcoholic. We seen a video of him post Usyk fight falling over drunk bumping his head on a lamp post outside a pub. On top of that, the man has had 10 kids leading to premature baldness due to stress. On top of that he has been suicidal, raising the Nando's stock market value, over eating, looked to have been sweating heavy from white powder up the nostrils, prior to Wilder 1. Depressed as his favorite time pass has been taking thrash to Morecombe recycling centre. He has gone up to 400 lbs in weight. Yet still gave Usyk a decent scrap. Usyk on the other hand is a seasoned professional who looks after himself. Yes Usyk is older but who is healthier? You, me and anyone else would rather be as healthy as Usyk than the part time alcoholic Tyson Fury.

You can get away with those bad habits in your 20s and early 30s, but those bad habits seemed to have caught up to Fury in recent years. Disciplined professionals such as Usyk, Beterbiev, Hopkins, Wladimir, Mayweather can enjoy the privilege of longevity since they put in the sacrifices in the 20s, allowing them to fight into their 40s. But Fury, those bad habits are costing him dearly.

 

To me, that's come across as quite a subjective take, it's like a refusal to give Fury credit for anything in the fight, that Fury is not a world class heavyweight who can cause stylistic problems for anyone.

Fighters can only fight to the level of their opponent, if Usyk had fought hyrgovic in his last fight, its possible he could have looked a million dollars and people would have said he still looks great.

For example, how do you assess Usyks performance v Derek Chisora? Did he look near the end in that fight? Was it a stylistic issue? Was it getting used to heavyweight? Probably a combination of both. How do you account for Fury absolutely toying with Chisora just after that? Again stylistic differences.

I personally think some of your assessment of a relatively close 1st Usyk / Fury fight is because Fury is a better fighter than you are prepared to admit, not because Usyk is declining faster than Fury.

How do you asses Furys performance v Ngannou? That has got to be one of the most alarming drop offs ever seen in a fighter, admittedly a mentality problem must have also been a factor for Fury.

Do we think Fury is now looking exceptionally chinny as well? Admittedly he has always had balance issues from early on but is there a case that those 2 inparticular heavy knockdowns from Wilder have took something out of that punch resistance.

It does disappoint me that theres a number of Usyk / Joshua fans who tried to go with this declining Usyk narrative before the 1st fight, and now they are choosing to go with it again as though they want some ready made excuse for if he loses, I find it a bit classless tbh. I can only imagine those excuses if Usyk had spent a big portion of his career being an alcoholic, drug addict, and spent 3 years of his career ballooning up to 28 stone.

Usyk won the 1st fight, deservedly so, hes a great boxer, no excuses. If Usyk wins the rematch i will say the same thing again. If Fury wins the rematch (which is a big if), then I expect you to be big enough to say the same thing back and give Fury his due.

 

This. Fury's lack of discipline in his 20s and early 30s is starting to catch up with him.