Boxing at Paris 2024 (Les Jeux de la XXXIII Olympiade)

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  1. deadACE

    deadACE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How it works is innocent until PROVEN guilty. Without proof there is no guilt. Unless we just assume guilt with a kangaroo court.

    At the moment there is no proof just an accusation based off a, atm, mythical medical report.

    So yeah tinfoil hat until proof. No?
     
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  2. Mastrangelo

    Mastrangelo Active Member Full Member

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    IBA has proof - from what They say - that They are not allowed to publicly disclose.
    With IOC refusing to seriously investigate the matter and having a clearly flawed criteria, plus with the issue of confidentiality - only way this could come to light is through unofficial leak of this sort.

    In any case, the authenticity of this report should be clear within couple days at most.
     
  3. deadACE

    deadACE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Somebody has publicly disclosed the findings of the report, that didn't break any confidentiality, they just haven't provided the report.

    Until somebody independent confirms the findings, either way, its all just speculation.
     
  4. Chuck Norris

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    This Mario fella and BRICS news aren't exactly trustworthy sources. It's better to wait for more legitimate sources than these on the situation with Imane.
     
  5. Mastrangelo

    Mastrangelo Active Member Full Member

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    Reality is - thus far only evidence is for the fact that Khalif is a biological male. The reason this report is believable - is it follows up on what one could already read between the lines from IBA statements.

    I find it in teresting - in the IBA vs IOC row - that You had one side saying:
    "We did scientific testing in independent, certified labs - and We can share our results with You if You allow us to. We'll also pay the boxer for their expenses if They wish to appeal our ruling"
    ..and the other side saying:
    "No, We don't need it. We will read what's written on a passport and We won't make any further testing".

    ... and somehow the scepticism is towards the first, not the second position.
    Now if IOC refuses to investigate the matter, then anything else is always going to be "just speculation" and "tinyfoil hat stuff" - since only They have ability to ban/disqualify boxers and put out the "official" statement on it.
     
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  6. captain hook

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    Please correct me if I'm wrong, but only after undefeated Russian boxer was defeated by Imane, those "male" reports popped up. That's what makes it most sketchy. Now it looks like they are still beating a dead horse with this report news, just bringing an old story for more clicks. Also, I read that Imane is going to court because of fake allegations, and I hope that it will be settled then.
     
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  7. deadACE

    deadACE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sorry there is no evidence, yet. That's my point.

    It's the credibility of the IBA and there report that's in question. Your source is the IBA. No medical report has been produced and checked by an independent body.

    So yeah tinfoil hat stuff pal
     
  8. Mastrangelo

    Mastrangelo Active Member Full Member

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    Tinyfoil hat stuff is believing that checking passport alone is a good way of determining eligibility of athlethe to compete in female divisions in the Olympics. Other federations/associations, responsible for rules and regulations in other sports, already figured it out. World Athlethics for example changed rulings year or 2 ago - and now don't allow anyone who have gone through "male puberty" to compete in female divisions.

    There are issues with credibility of IBA, I accept it - but They look far more credible here than IOC. IBA did actual work in scientific manner and are offering to share their results (IOC and national boxing bodies in Algeria and Taiwan did not agree to it).
    They do have evidence - what can be argued is whether it's conclusive. We won't find out if IOC refuses to investigate it and in situation like this You can't call independent journalism a " tinyfoil hat stuff". It's just as tinofoil as investigating government corruption.
     
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  9. deadACE

    deadACE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Going round in circles.

    No "evidence" is just that.

    You believe what you want to believe. I'll wait for proof.
     
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  10. thehook13

    thehook13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Any sources yet? I'll wait again....

    Same old Typical Low IQ ****...
     
  11. thehook13

    thehook13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    More he said, she said.

    Clutching at straws, you lot ...
     
  12. Mastrangelo

    Mastrangelo Active Member Full Member

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    https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/2024-o...ht-not-be-a-girl-14-08-2024-2567924_24.php#11

    Interview with Imane's coach from couple months ago:

    So We now know that:
    A) There were "Problems" with hormones and chromosomes.
    B) Imane needed medication to lower testosternone levels, to be able to compete with women.
    C) Imane was in fact examined by the hospital that is mentioned in the leaked report (Kremlin-Bicetre University Hospital in Paris)
     
  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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