Eubank's chin vs that Julian Jackson right hand

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  1. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I saw the Herol Graham vs Julian Jackson fight again recently and Chris Eubank (newly crowned as WBO champion) was in attendance.

    It made me wonder whether Eubank's granite chin would have withstood Jackson's knockout blow.

    Would Eubank have been knocked out by it as well?
     
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  2. Turnip mk3

    Turnip mk3 Active Member Full Member

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    No .Eubank had a concrete chin Benn couldn't shift him nor a cruser weight Thomson. Jackson is in big trouble
     
  3. Terror

    Terror free smoke Full Member

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    I think Eubank would win, he could dish out punishment as well and his chin is way more proven than Jackson's. I reckon Eubank took shots off comparable punchers.
     
  4. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm not asking who would win.

    I'm asking whether Eubank's chin would have been able to withstand the punch that knocked Graham out cold.
     
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  5. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Out For Milk Full Member

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    Yeah Eubank Snr would take the best Jackson could throw IMO… Eubank was a boiled down 180-185lbs fighter look at him in with Carl Thompson who’d be a big heavyweight in some eras, Carl was a helluva puncher for a cruiserweight and I think he’d fit right in during the 60s-70s HW eras.
     
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  6. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Well I think he's in with a chance of taking it.
    Remember Jackson didn't KO everyone and Eubank had a solid Chin.
     
  7. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I know but I think that could well have been the hardest punch of his career.

    For example, would prime Marciano have beaten prime Louis?

    Probably not. But I think he would have knocked Louis out if he nailed him with the punch that flattened Walcott.

    Personally, I think Eubank would have been floored by the punch but he would have beaten the count.
     
  8. LWW

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    Testing you chin against a ferocious puncher at you own peril . Ibeabuchi / Fury and GMAC after fighting Tua/Wilder and Jackson complained of severe headaches long after their bouts .
     
  9. Thread Stealer

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    I tend to think even fighters with great chins can get knocked out with perfectly placed and timed shots from big punchers. If not knocked out, then dropped, and not a flash KD.

    So I would guess the punch would drop and/or hurt Eubank. I wouldn’t even be surprised if Hagler got dropped by that shot. Hagler had an iron chin, but also had a good defense, and was smart in closing the distance on Hearns so Tommy couldn’t get full leverage on that right hand like did against Cuevas and Duran. He took some hard shots from big punchers like Cyclone and The Beast, but I don’t remember him leaving his chin wide open in the air while throwing a right hook to get hit with a blind shot from arguably the hardest p4p puncher ever the way Graham did.
     
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  10. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mike McCallum took his power and Eubank have a chin on par
     
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  11. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What people forget when listing Hagler's chin is that Hagler was an exceptional boxer who rarely took multiple flush punches in a row.

    Whilst I'm not trying to say Hagler's chin wasn't iron it was as walking through Hearns's right hand is evidence enough of that. But the way Hagler fought vs Hearns wasn't the norm Hagler was normally a very smart methodical boxer with good technique. Casuals look at the Hearns fight and think Hagler was this blood and guts warrior who took two to land one but that wasn't his usual style.

    I think you have to look at guys like Matthew Saad Muhammad, Arturo Gatti, Bobby Chacon. Who were taking flush punches continuously throughout their career with little to no defence.
     
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  12. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm talking about the specific punch that knocked out Graham.
     
  13. META5

    META5 Active Member Full Member

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    A past his prime Eubank ate Carl Thompson's best punch - showman, low work rate, braggard, call him what you want but Chris was an absolute warrior despite fighting mediocre opponents at times.

    The best I think JJ can hope for is a KD, Chris still gets up and probably stops him.
     
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  14. lora

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    If you're talking about that specific punch, then you need to consider the stupid situation Graham put himself in to get tagged with it in the first place.

    He had the fight essentially won, but it's been so uncompetitive that he gets cocky (Graham was very talented, but never the best ring-general, imo) and goes for the stoppage by pressing quickly in, being careless with the setup, and not maintaining awareness of what Jackson was doing. Basically creating a situation where even an average puncher can KO/badly hurt the vast majority of fighters if they land like that. His chin was up, and he walked right onto it with a fair amount of momentum without even knowing it was coming.

    Put ANY middle in that same situation, and I'm betting absolutely nothing on them shrugging it off. Now, could Eubank/Hagler or whatever other iron-chinned middle take a right-hand bomb like that from Jackson at ring centre/on the move, in proper stance, and while defensively aware? Of course they could...you can't rule a shock with a puncher like Jackson entirely out against anyone, but 95% of the time the more talented iron-chinned guys would crack Jackson before he found the right punch. But that's not what happened here. If Eubank or anyone else are foolish enough to get tagged so perfectly while in the same vulnerable, overconfidently unaware position, then the odds are heavily stacked against them, imo.

    I don't think Eubank's later durability feats at cruiserweight are that relevant, as extremely impressive as they are. He was a fighter that very quickly outgrew 160 and proved to be big and very tight at the weight at 168 too, which caused some many close decisions over the second half of his reign there; he blatantly should have been a light-heavy by as early as the Benn rematch. So, in those Thompson fights, you've basically got a very durable long-term light-heavy going up against a cruiserweight...I highly doubt the younger, weight-cutting Eubank that briefly managed to campaign at 160 or the weight-drained 168 version would have taken those punches from Carl.
     
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  15. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would suspect that the punch he hit McCallum with was equal to that one