Should Max Baer be ranked above Patterson as a HW ?

Head to head yes, I would pick Baer if they ever met in the ring. On legacy definitely Patterson is much higher.

 

Also surprised how good he looked against Schmeling. Haven't been impressed by him in his other big fights, not even against Carnera, but he looked quite dynamic against Schmeling.

Still, though. Floyd operating on such a high level for so long gives him a higher spot IMO.

 

Unfortunately he didn't have an inkling of Ingo's skills.

Patterson would find his punches much easier to avoid than he did Liston or Ingo.

 

What jab?

 

Yes H2H and for me overall.

Resume wise even if we ignore title defenses Patterson was 14-8-1 against title contenders while Max Baer was 11-9. Patterson had the more storied resume. But Max Baer got his wins in the tougher era than Patterson did IMO. Notice how I worded that.

 

No and quite frankly, it's not close enough to warrant such a discussion.

 

So because Baer looked better than you thought in ONE fight, he deserves to go over Patterson, who upheld consistency at the top level for 18 years (longer than literally anyone else)? Sound logic there mate.

 

Baer shouldn't hold a higher all-time ranking than Patterson, in my opinion (and I'm not sure there are many lists that reflect Baer ahead of Patterson).

Head-to-head could be interesting but I'd be backing Patterson. So superior in skill set, it's not even funny.

 

Not much a fan of either but this sums it up for me.

 

good points made

 

Well H2H, assuming Max comes to fight, I'd expect him to slaughter Ingo. Schmeling had more skill than Max and Ingo.

As for Patterson, it's a dangerous fight if Max Baer is focused and prepared. I can see him outboxing Baer similar to how he did Chuvalo. He has a better chance in a 10 or 12 rounder. Over 15, the chances increase for Max to catch him with something big and that's the beginning of the end.

 

I agree, I don't think it's clear @ all that Patterson should rank over Baer. Bear reached a higher peak than Patterson ever did w/ his wins over Carnera & Schmeling - those are the 2 best wins on either fighter's resumes IMO.

 

I didn't say anything about Baer's chances against Ingo. I stated Ingo was far more skilled than Baer so it's not as simple as the "Ingo knocked out Patterson, imagine what the more powerful Baer would do to him lolz" as you're suggesting. Schmeling would also have advantages over Patterson that Baer wouldn't. Baer doesn't get those advantages simply because he beat Schmeling. It simply doesn't work that way.

Yup because anytime Patterson is hurt, that's all he wrote. Let's just ignore the countless times he was "caught with something big", hurt, and even dropped on occasion and came back to win.

 

He did come back to win, just not anyone like Max Baer. If he was dropped by say, James Braddock, I would expect him to get up to win.

But Max Baer is comparable to Liston in stats like size, strength and punching power. He probably exceeds Johannson in punching power and equals Liston. Doesn't have Listons skill, but Baer beat more skilled fighters just because he hit really hard. Primo Carnera and Max Schmeling was more skilled.

I'm not even saying Max Baer would beat Patterson, but that Baer would be a formidable opponent.