Is Martin Bakole overrated?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Redbeard7, Dec 14, 2024.


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Poll closed Dec 21, 2024.

  1. Yes

    28 vote(s)
    45.2%

  2. No

    34 vote(s)
    54.8%
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  1. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's beginning to be overrated.
     
    MaccaveliMacc, Dec 15, 2024
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  2. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg @paulmillsfitness Full Member

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    He’s official age of 32 is as legit as Luis Ortiz’s 45
     
    Heisenberg, Dec 15, 2024
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  3. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    The sparring stories of him flogging both Dubois and Usyk seemed to have enhanced his reputation, following on to him then becoming an avoided fighter.

    Brilliant performance against Anderson, like most I just want to see him get in the ring with the best and assess whether the sparring story's add up
     
    HEADBANGER, Dec 15, 2024
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  4. Wedgie Kray

    Wedgie Kray The pessimist will always lack enthusiasm Full Member

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    Not seen much of him but I was very impressed with his win over Anderson.

    Looked a huge unit with decent power but I would like to see him in a 50/50 fight with a big Heavyweight before making a judgement.
     
    Wedgie Kray, Dec 15, 2024
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  5. chairmanpow

    chairmanpow New Member Full Member

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    Yes. He has a couple decent wins but he is so open defensively and his feet are so slow that any top level guy should beat him with relative ease
     
    chairmanpow, Dec 15, 2024
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  6. MrPook

    MrPook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who is he fighting? Because there was talk of him fighting Kabayel. But Kabayel is fighting Zhang so that’s not happening.
     
    MrPook, Dec 15, 2024
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  7. Furey

    Furey EST & REG 2009 Full Member

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    Bakole is a very good operator… size, work rate, pressure.. all which breaks his opponent down.

    Naturally though there are still question marks on how he reacts when he’s up against it based on the Michael Hunter fight however that was a long time ago and from reading between the lines, Bakole had some issues outside of the ring prior.
     
    Furey, Dec 15, 2024
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  8. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Ortiz resume doesn't back such an assessment."

    It backs it a hell of a lot more than Anderson's.

    "One could make a reasonable case he wasn't top 10 for either Wilder fight if so inclined."

    No reputable rankings body was "making the case", even @Mitch87 favoured a post-Wilder 1 Ortiz over Parker and Whyte.

    "He never beat any of his rival claimants"

    Jennings. But this is not the be all and end all because 1. fighters can be avoided, as Ortiz was by virtually every name up until 2018, including Povetkin by his own promoter's admission 2. Ortiz showed superior ability against several mutual opponents with other contenders/champions 3. Ortiz was unbeaten.
     
    Redbeard7, Dec 15, 2024
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  9. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was responding to the ludicrous claim that Ortiz was no more a consensus top 10 heavyweight than Anderson was.

    Whatever Ortiz's shortcomings, he's accomplished a lot more than Anderson:

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...ever-hold-a-title.729004/page-2#post-23146689
     
    Redbeard7, Dec 15, 2024
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  10. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's dangerous but slow feet, questionable stamina, mentality and defensive flaws suggest that he'll be fortunate to grab a title, let alone hold it for long.
     
    Redbeard7, Dec 15, 2024
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  11. The one

    The one Member Full Member

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    Yes.
     
    The one, Dec 15, 2024
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  12. DJN16

    DJN16 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes I think he I a wee bit overrated.

    However he is also a dangerous opponent for any heavyweight in the world.
     
    DJN16, Dec 15, 2024
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  13. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Povetkin missed out on
    Vitali
    Wilder
    Jennings
    Pulev
    Chisora
    Fury
    Thompson
    Parker
    Miller
    Kabayel
    Rivas
    Etc, etc

    Given he missed out on the vast majority of his contemporaries it shouldn't come as any surprise he didn't fight Ortiz either. Why make a big deal of him ducking Ortiz when he missed out on so many opponents?

    Likewise Joshua hasn't fought
    Bakole
    Zhang
    Kabayel
    Rivas
    Fury
    Wilder
    Miller
    Wardley
    Joyce
    Chisora
    Etc

    So it isn't exactly a surprise he didn't face Ortiz


    Jennings is really the only win Ortiz has that's likely better than Andersons opposition and that was years prior to facing Wilder when he was younger and closer to his prime.
     
    Cojimar 1946, Dec 15, 2024
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  14. bartkiwi

    bartkiwi Member Full Member

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    Is it ducking/dodging by Kabayel?? Pulled out to fight another dangerous huge puncher... maybe made better business sense? And a gateway to a title... Bakole has nothing Kabayel needs
     
    bartkiwi, Dec 15, 2024
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  15. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't see your point. If you believe that Anderson was just as much a consensus top 10 HW as Ortiz then you're entitled to your opinion, baseless as it is.

    The main difference between Ortiz and Anderson's conqueror is that when Ortiz stepped up against a contender he won in good fashion rather than getting stopped.
     
    Redbeard7, Dec 15, 2024
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