Does Any Pre Ali Heavyweight Beat Ali?

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  1. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Louis, Charles, Walcott, Marciano, Johnson, Dempsey, Tunney etc

    Prime for prime
     
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    Shay Sonya The REAL Wonder Woman! Full Member

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    The Brown Bomber could get it done. In 7 prime fights, I am thinking he would go about 4-3 against Muhammad Ali.
     
  3. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The ones with the best chance would be Joe Louis,Jack Dempsey and Rocky Marciano,in my opinion,but I'd still have Ali down as favourite.
    Muhammad once said that Rocky would have given him the toughest battle.
     
  4. ThatOne

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    Ali would be favored on the books against any heavyweight who preceded him or succeeded him. As it is he's the only boxer that defeated two consensus top ten heavyweights and one bubble top ten heavyweight.
     
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    nyterpfan Active Member Full Member

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    I honestly don't see any HW in history beating the 1967 version of Ali that fought Zora Folley. Greatest HW of all time entering his peak.
     
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    Hi Buddy.
    As with any match up concerning Ali, I always struggle somewhat, reason being I sort of have 2 Alis in my mind, the first would be from 64 to 67, so Clay stroke Ali, then the second generation fighter from say 70 to 74 , I was fortunate ( and old enough ) to have seen him in his absolute prime, so for me the earlier version would imo have the beating of all and any HW before and after him, and I am resolute in that belief, as to the latter fighter I am not so sure, I would not be so confidante of a win over Louis, he was a lot more static in them years, and therefore got hit plenty ( sadly ) getting hit plenty by Louis is a testament to disaster, that said, gun to my head, I would still favour Ali to somehow find a way to win, he normally did, on that theme, Lewis / Holmes while a stern test, would I belive come up short, just some ramblings on your interesting post.
    stay safe Joeywill, chat soon.
     
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    Cooper would have done the job if not for the trick with the glove
     
  8. GlaukosTheHammer

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    Louis, Jeffries, Marciano
     
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    Only Joe Louis.
    And at his best he'd lose to Ali from 1965 to 1974 at his.
     
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    It is unlikely that Frazier and Norton were the first to capable of doing it.
     
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    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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    Have we seen Ali's Peak, or would the peak be 1968 or 1969; so we didn't see Ali's peak?

    Joe Louis...
     
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    Joe Louis is taking at least one in a trilogy.
     
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    Louis has the best chances.
    I wouldn't underestimate Rocky Marciano as well. His determination, unorthodox style, pressure and non stop flurries are grueling over 15 rounds. Ali himself said that Rocky would be his toughest opponent, also stylistically. I wouldn't ignore that. At least for the slower Ali during the 70s he could be a very tough opponent, if injuries do not hinder him.
     
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    I think Charles "Kid" McCoy would stand a solid chance if the fight took place back when McCoy was active (1891 - 1916). "Kid" was a legend in antics and one of the dirtiest fighters of all time. I'm pretty sure He would have brainstormed a couple of ideas on how to cheat his way into a victory against Ali.