usyk should have lost or drawn!

Draw is the only best result Fury could get.

There is no way I can imagine Fury with a win, just did not do enough.

Had it 5 all in the 10th. Usyk showed his dogged self like always in the championship rounds.

 

I agree.

I'm not big on gym rumours, but this rumour I believe because I've read and listened to various legit people that Martin Bakole [url]stopped [/url] Usyk in sparring. So that would be a good fight. But knowing that I don't think Klimas would entertain that fight as it seems everyone is scared of Bakole.

 

No Llores.

 

You are misremembering round 5, which is the clearest Fury round in the fight. Amazingly all judges gave him round 4 as well, but personally I found all the first 4 rounds too close to score. I think a lot of Fury fans are in a similar boat to me, but they just give it to Fury if they are undecided. If you score it conservatively, it's obvious that Fury needs a lot of "swing" rounds just to snatch a draw. Or if you look at the judges scorecard and see unanimous rounds, per the post from @Izakaya

 

Whereas many gave every close, debatable round to Usyk. Cuts both ways, surely?

 

Not really. Giving all the close rounds to the guy who clearly won 5 rounds isn't the same as giving all the close rounds to the guy who clearly won a round (or two if you go by the judges scorecards). In one case you are giving Fury a slim victory in a fight he clearly never won, and in the other case you are making it look like a one sided whitewash for Usyk, when he won a close and difficult fight.

It is this sort of jeopardy that makes points decisions a bit of a nonsense at times.

 

But if the rounds are close, close enough to be debatable, they have to go somewhere...and who they go to will be dependent on how one scores a fight. For years the Americans scored 'effective aggression', the effective part of that statement being problematic because it was so subjective. Points scoring may have rules, guidelines etc but it will always be subjective because it is scored by human beings.

I have often wondered if, at the risk of making scoring even more difficult, a 10-9 should be given for a close round, a 10-8 for a clear one and a 10-7 for a knockdown?

 

I'm realising that if folks actually REALLY can't decide on close debatable 'swing' rounds', then even 10-10 is the best score to use. I think judges that favour a style and look to always score it one way or another will usually favour the same fighter in close rounds due to style bias.

For a while I was trying to even up close 'swing' rounds in my own scoring by trying to alternate swing rounds and I realised that just scoring it even if I really think neither did enough to win the round is the best thing to do. But most of the time there is a clear winner of a round.

In Usyk v Fury 2, I really only had 2 swing rounds 4, & 9.

I gave Fury 9 and Usyk 4 of those for 117-111 score

Usyk - 1,2,4,6,7,8,10,11,12
Fury - 3,5,9

Fury simply didn't do enough for me - he had patchy moments of succcess, but Usyk nearly always punctuated those exchanges with the last work and dictated the fight - tempo, distance and had Fury on the backfoot more and more as the fight went on, and managed to initiate his own combinations and work that Fury had little answer for.

 

close rounds and close fight, I thought they could have given the edge to Fury, but a draw would have been fair. I had Fury up on my cards, but a draw would have allowed Usyk to keep the title and set up fight 3

I think the Joshua fight with Fury is what the promoters want. I think at this point Furys power has diminished and power is the key to breaking Joshua, much like Norton vs Ali. Ali did not have the tipping point power to stop Ken and facing power was Kens kryptonite. I think Joshua would have a good chance to impose his will on Fury because Furys power has diminished. Right now, both of them have the lost 2x to Usyk but a loss vs either one would diminish their standing historically. The winner would get another chance at Usyk who may retire after beating Dubois and one or 2 others.

 

Cmon cut him from slack

Juan has at least given us the "what boxer would win in a street fight" series of threads

 

I watched it back last night and I had it a draw initially (intoxicated)

Last night I give it to Usyk 7 5

 

Out of the 5 close rounds where the judges didn't all agree, they all gave 3 to Usyk and 2 to Fury which ended up at 8-4. No one gave 5 of 5, or even 4 of 5 to Usyk. Heck, Fury given 3 of 5 and he still loses.

 

12 couldve been a Fury round too but even if noth swing rounds went to Fury thats a 7-5 Usyk win...and thats with giving swing rounds away..and swing rounds are by nature either/or