Boxing will take a hit of Bud, Beterbiev and Usyk retire undefeated

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  1. junkhead

    junkhead My dogs watch me post Full Member

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    Three current P4P fighters, with Bud at 37, Beterbiev basically 40, and Usyk 37, with none of them really looking particularly vulnerable, especially Crawford due to his fuken inactivity. Sans maybe Beterbiev with Bivol, there's a big threat that all three will retire without ever passing the torch to the next generation. In boxing history there's been 15 champions to retire undefeated. That's counting Valero, who killed himself, Harry Simon who was injured in a car crash, Mihai Leu who retired due to hand issues, Terry Marsh who had to retire due to his epilepsy, and Pirog, who was forced to medically retire. So perhaps 10 who lived their career through. Now suddenly that list might possibly expand by 3 names all within probably a 3-4 year period.

    The question is, who does the torch go to? Unlike some of names on the list which come with asterisks, such as Ward's controversial wins over Kovalev, or Marciano's relatively early retirement at 32, these guys will have retired with generally uncontroversial careers. I feel because of this it will take quite some time before their divisions heal, sans some real blockbuster up and coming star. For example, even if Dubois takes over heavyweight, he still lost to Usyk, and the man who beats Dubois, still will only have beat the man who was second best to the real king of 2020's heavyweights. If they retire undefeated, it's going to leave these divisions feeling weak for the foreseeable future.

    That's my opinion at least. Agree? Disagree?

    Edit: Soz probs wasn't coherent in what I mean, I basically mean every fighter in those divisions for the next few years will be living in the shadow of those guys. It's hard to get hyped about a new fighter when you've just seen great ones go out, unless they were the ones to beat that fighter on the way out, and all accomplishments in the divisions will look a bit less impressive for a fair while after.
     
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  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Honestly I think having these guys (along with Inoue) is a gift.

    We've been able to see boxing greatness achieved despite not being A-Side divas. We've been able to see guys be the best whilst constantly facing the best.

    Yeah we had Floyd and Pac but look how long it took them to fight each other, and both have asterisks. But these 4 have done it the hard way, and done it well.

    I mean Usyk has been a career B-side who's upset the odds in his opponents back yard time and time again over the past decade.

    Beterbiev was the most ducked guy in the whole of boxing but slowly captured the belts one belt at a time when his opposition had nowhere to run.

    Crawford has dominated three divisions in a row whilst never being the superstar in any one division.

    Inoue was frozen out of the hottest division in boxing and moved up to go one the best run of a Japanese boxer since Fighting Harada.

    These guys have left no stones unturned in their divisions and are still unbeaten.

    All still have questions yet to answer though.

    Usyk with the Dubious low blow.
    Beterbiev with the close victory over Bivol
    Crawford on a fractured 4th division
    Inoue with rising stars such as Bam, MJ and Nakatani.

    We should be thankful that this is the era that followed Floyd/PAC/Canelo and their A side bull****.
     
  3. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Spot on - got to look at the glass half full here!
     
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  4. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    Complete nonesense, this isn`t WWE, passing the torch because your old means nothing, you can only pass a torch if both fighters are at their peaks, this is the strangest thing I`ve ever heard.
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Lewis v Vitali was the definition of passing the torch, except he kept it for himself.
     
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  6. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    What was the point if Lewis wasn`t at his peak anymore?
     
  7. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    Was Lewis the lineal champ at the time?
     
  8. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Have you ever heard of the internet lol
     
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  9. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    You`re just trying to win points, fair enough, but I sometimes don`t get this forum`s logic and I`m just trying to understand, some of you are really pessimist and just downright odd at times.
     
  10. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    You're asking me if Lewis was lineal champ. You can find that out yourself very easily, even with no points.
     
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  11. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Crawford through no fault of his own has not faced stiff competition throughout his career. He's simply inhabited wastelands. You can only fight who is available and he's never had any dance partners. Gvozdyk and Bivol were excellent fighters, but outside of that Beterbiev's resume hasn't been stacked with stiff competition. But it is top heavy, I'll give him that credit. Usyk has genuinely cleaned out some (at the time) stacked divisions. If Usyk retires undefeated it won't be because he benefitted from a weak era. He was just simply too good.
     
  12. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I want points. I want vCash points. I've never gotten back what Chad Dawson gave away from me. And Mark and Luf seem completely dismissive of what I've been through. How can you guys argue at a time like this? When I still have to walk around with this little vCash? DAMMIT. C'mon. It's been years and years now. That's like forever!
     
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  13. lufcrazy

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    Crawford has cleaned out 3 divisions, he just hasn't ever ducked anyone so no one could become his bogeyman. He also played B-side to Spence to get the fight made.

    These 4 have taken boxing to new levels imo.
     
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  14. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't see any historically relevant fighters on Crawford's resume. Whereas I do with Usyk. You can make the argument that Briedis is the 3rd best Cruiserweight of all time. You can make the argument that Fury is a top 15 HW all time. Spence (Crawford's best win) is a non factor at 147 in a historical sense.
     
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  15. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Right? Crawford has barely any relevant wins on his resume, despite his extensive career. There have been so many gaps in quality competition.

    If Crawford never existed then I don´t think we would have missed out on much. Can´t say the same with Inoue and Usyk.
     
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