Would it be good for boxing to remove cw division?

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  1. oldcanvasback

    oldcanvasback Active Member Full Member

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    Imagine someone who used to be able to make 175 fighting Fury who has weighed in 100lb's heavier.
     
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  2. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Right now weight classes being 6-7 pounds has created the illusion that a few pounds matters more than it actually does. Because people don't try to bridge larger gaps we assume they can't. But history shows that they can.

    There is a reason guys Furys size weren't usually champion in earlier periods. Its a big advantage but it can only compensate for so much.

    Another thing is in the era we had 175/HW combos fighters favored smaller builds for their height. And these guys had room to bulk up which they take today but didn't back then.

    IMO old fighters would struggle less with beating a Tyson Fury(or anyone else) in one fight and more with fighting AJ sized guys nearly every single fight. Thats where the size gap would rear its head.
     
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  3. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Look at the size difference between Surace and Munguia thats at least 15 pounds, Surace never had power in any weight he fought at. Munguia survived Canelos power, yet Surace knocks him out cold. I swore dempsey smashed guys way bigger than him and that was a century ago
     
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  4. lufcrazy

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    WIt, you're defending Bridgerweight? Is this a troll post?
     
  5. HistoryZero26

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    Bridgerweight is taking fighters away from only HW who are big enough but couldn't cut it. CW takes the best smaller HWs and bigger 175ers. CW does more damage to the traditional divisions.

    Bigger LHWs will go to CW but likely wouldn't go to BW. Small HWs who could contend at HW and dominate CW are more likely to pick HW over BW than HW over CW.
     
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  6. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    I just think that jumping from 175 to 200lbs is a big jump, but manageable. However, there are plenty of big boys at heavyweight who shouldn´t really be competing with the giants. So I think 175, 190, 220 are good, but they would likely dilute the pool of competition.
    I am most certainly not defending "Bridgerweight" as it is today. Not only is the name ******ed, it doesn´t help the little men of heavyweights either.
     
  7. lufcrazy

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    But the problem is at HW the size becomes a diminishing return.

    What they increase in size they lose in speed and stamina.

    Dubois was 100 pound less than Miller for example. That's the breadth of the traditional 8 divisions.
     
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  8. DoctorJones

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    I totally agree with you for Opetaia
    He would smash half of the top 10
     
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  9. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    Sure, Dubois beat Miller. But Miller grinded down plenty of opponents with his sheer size alone. What´s the point in having weight classes when we allow such drastic differences in weight?
    I love the idea of the traditional 8, but would expand it to 10. Maybe 11.
    Like I said, I am fine with 175, 200, 200+; but I would prefer 175, 190, 220, 220+.
     
  10. lufcrazy

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    Weight classes are essential in boxing, but that's not the point I made. At the higher level extra weight is just as much as a hindrance as it is a strength. Durability and power swapped for speed and stamina.

    The 100pound advantage Miller had over Dubois didn't help him.

    Today's LHW fighters are basically 200 pound fighters, I don't think we need anything in between LHW and HW tbh, the fighters just don't have to try to make weight.
     
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  11. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    Yea, I disagree. Sorry, but guys like Mairis Briedis, who stand at 6ft1 - should not be forced to fight giants like Fury or Joshua.

    Edit: I just realized that I didn´t actually answer OP´s question as intended.
    Yes, it would be good for boxing if there were no Cruiserweight division. We would have more talent at light-heavyweight and heavyweight, thus better competition and better fights.
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    No one is forcing them, they either make LHW or use their speed and skills against the bigger guys, this isn't tiddlywinks.
     
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  13. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    Nah, I disagree with that. Going from 175 to unlimited is just over the top, especially now when most at the top weight more than 240lbs.
    The whole point of the weightclasses is to make the fights more even.
     
  14. lufcrazy

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    2 of the top heavyweights over the past few years could comfortably make Bridgerweight. Another of the top heavyweights was chinned by a shot cruiserweight. Another of the top was chinned by a guy who was only 6'2.

    The current undisputed heavyweight champion was dropped and defeated against the current undisputed light heavyweight champion.

    Tbh your argument is kinda self defeating anyway when you take it to the extremes, why not have a cap on the heavyweights? How is it fair that guys weighing 240 have to face guys weighing 270?
     
  15. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    Well, I have already said what I think of it. It´s absolutely ridiculous that a 220lb guys should fight guys who are 250 and up.
    Might as well remove majority of the weight classes and have less than the classic 8. Who needs lightweight with same day weigh in? Either squeeze down to 126 or fight at 147. No point in middleweight either.