Myth: Roberto Duran has a better resume than Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.

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  1. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're correct, of course fighters make compromises on various terms and conditions to secure the fight that offers them by far the highest purse they can make at that time.

    In addition to the catchweight, I suspect Canelo may have agreed to a rehydration clause.

    He was reported as 165lbs on fight night vs Mayweather. As a growing 22 year old, 5 months earlier, he was 172lbs on fight night vs Trout - https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Y0NvyxEm...c/voxWUPtZ6O8/s1600/4-20-2013+11-04-25+PM.jpg
     
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  2. Mastrangelo

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    Would not shock me. I heard on some other occasions about similar clauses being in place along with sort of a "gag order" or confidentiality clause, although I honestly never got a solid confirmation of it being the case either.
    Could also be that his body could not "rebound" the same way after cutting extra weight.
     
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  3. Greg Price99

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    Iirc, it was leaked that Canelo had imposed a 10lbs rehydration clause on Kovalev, who is recorded as previously, typically being in the 188-191lbs range on fight night, and that rehydration cause was supposed to be confidential as part of a mutual NDA.

    Those kind of things will very likely happen far more often in the highest money fights, than the details are reported or available in the public domain.
     
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  4. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    a late career fight from a guy who seems to have been a big drinker doesn't mean a huge amount. a lb her or there means even less.
     
  5. Greg Price99

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    I was citing an example of a leaked rehydration cause, in response to Mastrangelo's post stating that he'd heard such confidential clauses could form part of fight contracts.

    I wasn't commenting on the significance that clause had on the outcome of the fight.

    That said, Canelo's team clearly had a different view as to the significance of the rehydration clause than you do, otherwise they wouldn't have included it in the fight contract.
     
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  6. Boxed Ears

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    Listen, I think we can all admit that we're wrong, now that some time has passed.
     
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  7. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    you have more experience of pro boxing than me. i wasn't undermining your post i was building on it.

    they were looking for an edge, that's their job. the edge wasn't worth much there.
     
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  8. Greg Price99

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    No worries mate. I agree with you that Kovalev was as good as done by that point, regardless of any rehydration clause.
     
  9. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Empirically, Duran does not have a better resume than Floyd.
     
  10. kingfisher3

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    it depends how much you take away for losses.

    i think floyd has a strong argument for goat, but look at the guys duran fought.
     
  11. themaster458

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    What do you think of this evaluation I have for both?

    Floyd Mayweather

    Quality wins: Tony Pep (82), Genaro Hernández (86), Angel Manfredy (83), Carlos Rios (78), Justin Juuko (77), Carlos Gerena (82), Gregorio Vargas (78), Emanuel Augustus (84), Diego Corrales (87), Carlos Hernández (83), Jesús Chávez (85), José Luis Castillo (81), José Luis Castillo (84), Victoriano Sosa (79), Phillip N'dou (80), DeMarcus Corley (82), Henry Bruseles (79), Arturo Gatti (82), Sharmba Mitchell (86), Zab Judah (88), Carlos Baldomir (85), Oscar De La Hoya (92), Ricky Hatton (90), Juan Manuel Márquez (89), Shane Mosley (91), Victor Ortiz (86), Miguel Cotto (93), Robert Guerrero (83), Canelo Álvarez (94), Marcos Maidana (86), Marcos Maidana 2 (88), Manny Pacquiao (93), Andre Berto (83)

    Quality win total: 33

    Average value of quality wins: 84.79

    Big 3: Manny Pacquiao (93), Canelo Álvarez (94), Miguel Cotto (93)


    Roberto Durán

    Quality wins: Carlos Mendoza(82), Ernesto Marcel (85), Hiroshi Kobayashi (82), Ken Buchanan (89), Hector Thompson (86), Guts Ishimatsu (86), Esteban de Jesús (88), Ray Lampkin (84), Edwin Viruet (84), Saoul Mamby (82), Lou Bizzarro (83), Vilomar Fernandez (83), Edwin Viruet 2 (84), Esteban de Jesús (90), Adolfo Viruet (83), Monroe Brooks (81), Carlos Palomino (92), Sugar Ray Leonard (98), José Cuevas (81), Davey Moore (85), Juan Carlos Giménez Ferreyra (82), Iran Barkley (90), Jorge Castro (86)

    Quality win total: 23

    Average value of quality wins: 85.48

    Big 3: Sugar Ray Leonard (98), Esteban de Jesús (90), Carlos Palomino (92)
     
  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I find it interesting that you claimed 165 for fight night but failed to provide a source. BTW he had to be at around thar weight for the 30 day WBC rule.
     
  13. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    The original post shows that Floyd objectively has a better resume. There's zero chance of Floyd getting a fair shake if people are allowed to wax poetic about how great Duran was because basically people love Duran and dislike Floyd.
     
  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Borrowed:
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    Canelo was not weight drained when he fought Floyd. Here are the facts.

    Canelo had over 30 fights *before* he fought at LMW which is **147 to 154.**

    Canelo had **two titles** at 154 and they were on the line.

    Before the Floyd fight Canelo had **10** fights at LMW. **One was contracted at 151 and Canelo stipulated this.**

    Of these 10 fights he **never** tipped the scales and would either come in at 154 or *under* it for the official weigh in.

    Of these 10 fights he won all of them. 6 were by KO/TKO and the remaining 4 were by decisions in which all judges ruled in his favor.

    How was he weight drained when he fought Floyd when he already had 10 fights under his belt at LMW with one of them being a catchweight at 151 (in which he won by KO)?

    How was he weight drained yet KOing more than half the people he fought at LMW and never losing on a judges card?

    Then people say, "Floyd never made that stipulation with anyone else." Well, before the Canelo fight Floyd only had 2 LMW fights. One was against Oscar and Oscar chose everything. The other was against Miguel Cotto. Floyd came in at 150 in both those fights and came in at 150 against Canelo. And let me remind the readers that it was **Canelo** who initially called out Floyd at 150, then backtracked when negotiations started, then said 153 (His words, "I can do 153 or 154 because I'm already there") then agreed to 152. So you're telling me 1lb made a difference?

    If 1lb made a difference in their fight, then what difference did it make in the **5 consecutive catchweight fights at 155**?

    The facts speak for themselves and there is no way he was weight drained when he **never** came in overweight and 152 is within the fighting weight for LMW. And if you want to go by pictures or video, watch the weigh in with Trout and then with Floyd. Canelo looks **exactly** the same physically. Then watch the weigh in with Lopez and just work your way backwards and you'll see he looked the same.

    Stop with the weight drained excuse."
     
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  15. kingfisher3

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    i like floyd i haven't decide yet but the only other choice for goat is ezzard charles.

    duran was very great, from ernesto marcel at 130 to tommy hearns at 175. mickey walker vs opponents on steroids.
     
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