Wilder v Wlad Klitschko

I'm not confused at all. I was taking a very simplistic view in order for LUFC to see my point that just because Wilder was ranked 3rd or 4th does not mean he beats lower ranked but still good boxers but hes adamant Wilder was top 3 and theres no alternative argument. I thought that would have been obvious the way I put it, maybe you were confused.

 

Wilder was top 3, so he’s right.

whether he beats everyone else ranked below is irrelevant.

Ah I thought you were confused, you have clarified that your not and your point just has completely no value.

a ranking system does not mean a fighter theoretically does anything, it goes by achievements.

 

Surely you should have to do something to achieve a high ranking. He made his dough so he was successful and he was a world champion but his rankings flattered to deceive he beat a lot of very average, mediocre opponents and their rankings clarify that.

 

Sorry I’m not sure I understand what you mean here.

rankings work exactly off achievements, not theoretical fights.
So to be ranked high, it’s not off theory but off achievement.
so to achieve a high ranking you generally have to do the right things in the ring.

Most the heavyweights out there are very average and mediocre, unfortunately we didn’t have a stacked hw division and still don’t. It’s typically a weak division with a lot of cumbersome or fat guys.
This is why people have criticised the resume of all top guys since the 70’s.

Which ones are ranked so low and by which body?
Wilders defences were all against top 15 ranked opponents in the wbc.

 

Wilder was not some golden boy.
He came out of the olympics with a bronze medal and unlike most Olympians, he started from the bottom in small hall shows and had to work his way up.
he did this by fighting very regularly, which is a common way to build a fighter and get them the work they need.

 

Wlad

 

In 2017 Wilder would've melted Wlad in 2-3 rounds (he would've gotten him out way faster than Joshua)

Any version of Wlad before his initial retirement Wlad would stop Wilder.............7-8 rounds.

 

Exactly.

It looks a bit like Fury-Wilder 2 - except with a savage KO to finish.

Wilder wouldn't have stood a chance and he knew it.

 

Is it?

I don't have him ahead of Povetkin for starters.

Then there's Parker.

And Whyte is questionable too considering Wilder ducked him HARD.

It's certainly not beyond question that Wilder was #3... It's not even certain he was top 5.

 

Don't agree mate.

Unlike Joshua, I don't think Wilder would've got up from that punch - heart isn't in doubt, but I just don't think he had the chin to take the kind of power even old Wlad had.

On top of that, Joshua barely got through it and proved far, far more in both the following years and his career as a whole... I don't see how Wilder would've won besides a flukey punchers chance, and even then he'd lose more often than not.

 

Can you point to a single moment between the reigns of Wlad and Usyk when Wilder was not top 3?

 

It would be harder, if it's even possible, to point to a moment when he actually was one of the three best fighters.

Before Fury came back, maybe - Parker wasn't prime yet and if Wilder was ever going to be able to beat him that would've been the time... But there's still AJ, Povetkin and Whyte there and he's either ducked or is still actively ducking all three during that period.

On paper, with corrupt orgs, he was top 3 - to casuals he was top 3... To serious fans, he was a prospect with a belt, who had managed to avoid fighting anyone good and was difficult if not impossible to rank - I don't buy hype without proof.

 

all of which are better than any of wilders victories.

 

Wlad is methodical, he's not gonna run out and ice Wilder. That's not how he fights. Even the prime version let alone 2017 Wlad who was simply not long for the ring. 2017 Wilder, hell no version of Wilder was an elite boxer IMO but he was quick on the trigger, and yeah Wilder is nothing but a free swinger, every high level knockout he has I'd say was a flukey shot. But he does eventually connects on everyone, he would've connected on Wlad. 2017 Wlad was not championship Wlad. I'm not one of the guys who thought he looked great against Joshua. Prime Wlad would've mugged and dispatched Joshua. I just think Wilder would've clipped Wlad before Wlad dragged him to hell.

Again prime vs prime my answer is Wlad all day. Not the Wlad who fought Joshua though

 

Show me any independent rankings that had him outside of the top 3 then please.