Deontay Wilder compared to contemporaries in Boxrec

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  1. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Going in some circles. I am going to let it go because I like you as a poster. I said what I said, it is a matter of record, and you can interpret it as you like. Peace.
     
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  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Cool
     
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  3. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    First, I don't particularly like Boxrec's ranking system, as they have intervened to artificially inflate fighter's ranking in the past. Which damaged their credibility. Be that as it may, Wilder being outside of the current top 30 and ATG top 80 on the heavyweight rankings makes sense based on their algorithm.

    As I have tried to explain on here in the past (which was upsetting for some) it was quite obvious that the heavyweight division was split in two (Something along the lines of the American networks versus the rest of the world). Boxrec's algorithm recognizes this division by its very nature.

    This is a simplification, but it goes something like this:
    Pool (A)
    Usyk
    Joshua
    Parker
    Povetkin
    Ruiz Jr.
    Dubois
    Whyte
    Zhang
    Joyce
    Chisora
    etc.

    Pool (B)
    Fury
    Wilder
    Ortiz
    Wallin
    Helenius
    Breazeale
    Washington
    Kownacki
    etc.


    The cross over fights have nearly always gone against Pool B, except when Fury fought Whyte and Chisora (and to be honest, Chisora is a bit of a special case, as I'm not sure which pool to put him in as he fought everyone). So, when Fury lost twice to Usyk the whole house of cards that was supporting Wilder's record on that side of the street came tumbling down. So, it doesn't surprise me that Wilder fans really don't like boxrec now.
    As a side note, the reason boxrec's rankings have looked so wonky for years goes back to when they did an overnight update. It just coincided with Wilder being elevated back into the top 3 following his first stoppage loss to Wilder. That one finger on the balance seemed to mess up their whole system, because they couldn't just let the chips fall as they may.
     
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  4. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Comparing Wilder with his contemporaries is the worst way to go about proving he is a "fraud" because thats the light in which Wilders resume looks the best. Comparing Wilders resume to Vitali, Fury and AJs is the single best defense of Wilders resume you could make. Usyks got 7 fights at HW.

    Of the long reigning 21st century HW champs Wlads resume is the one that stands out for being so much better than everyone elses not Wilders for being so much worse. They can rank it however they want Vitali being number 13 and Wilder being 83 is a joke. Vitalis title SOS was flat out worse than Wilders and he maintained whatever "fraud" Wilder is guilty of for a longer period of time. Vitali might have a more acceptable excuse for that because the real champ was his brother but it is what it is.

    AJs resume being built around Wlad, Povetkin and Pulev while people joke about Luis Ortiz being old enough to fight Bob Fitzsimmons is odd. Its a pretty blatant double standard. AJs Parker win also gets most of its historical value from Parker demolishing Wilder nearly 6 years later. Is Wilder a joke or is Parker dominating Wilder this super valuable win that proves Parker was elite? The idea AJs championship reign was is in a different class than Wilders is built in double standards and contradictions. AJ also lost his belts to Ruiz and basically got them handed back by Ruiz showing up out of shape.

    In terms of Fury 3 of his 10 lineal defenses are Seferi, Schwarz and Ngannou. A 4th is Chisora. A 5th is a 10 round decision over Pianeta. If we're being honest his three year vacation after beating Wlad is really the genesis of all of this eras dysfunction.
     
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  5. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You know, you have made some posts that I like quite a bit, and I want to be careful not to flame you, here, but I find this absurd. Even Vitali's wins bury Wilder's.