Overrated talent

This thread has gone overboard….there’s a difference between a fighter being overrated as a whole …and having overrated talent or attributes

 

Does Holyfield beat Usyk at cruiserweight ? In your opinion

 

Like the one that he got against Ramirez?

 

He fought and won two fights before the Frazier fight so not really coming directly off a lay off.
He didn't second fight was close and I had it for Norton nothing clear about it and besides giving Ali and Holmes tough fights his heavyweight resume is pretty lacking.
Most of which was against cans or no ones only his last 3 fights were significant. Foreman really wanted a rematch afterwards but Ali avoided him.

 

I was wondering why there have been about 10 Ron Lyle threads in the past week.

 

Yeah that's kinda the point......

 

Ramirez fought a good fight.

As did Rivera, Pestryaev and Vazquez.

 

YES

 

You seem to have an unusual level of disdain for Usyk, which is odd—especially considering you claim to be Ukrainian.

 

Just being honest. I don't claim anything as you disrespectfully put it. I am half Ukrainian and I've mentioned that here way befor Usyk was ever heard of. Don't be that guy....

 

Hi Buddy.
Quite happy to be corrected, and appreciate your polite and informative reply.
stay safe buddy, chatsoon.

 

Not sure that he's universally rated highly, but it's Calzaghe for me. Beat a faded but still half decent Eubank. Then spent the bulk of his career fighting low level opposition in Fortress Wales defending a periphery belt. Some ATGs get criticised for their opposition. But I genuinely think Calzaghe's run from '97 to 06 was pretty dreadful .. Shobot, Veit, Pudwill and McIntyre anyone??! Even vaguely recognisable names like Mitchell were at the end. Lacey was all hype and simply exposed. I don't get that Zags 'ruined ' him - he was never that good to begin with and achieved nothing of note after.
Kessler was a good win. But Joe only reared his head above the parapet to face Hopkins and Jones once they were declining forces. He was smoke and mirrors for me - and was 'rewarded ' for biding his time and waiting out the big guns. I
Im not saying he was terrible. I actually find it quite hard to rate him because most of his competition was so weak. But I certainly think he is vastly overrated in some quarters- and isnt criticised enough for not seeking out top competition until it was too late. Too many Manfredo Jnrs to pad his thin resume and not enough quality

 

Max Baer ... I often read he'd have been an all time great if he took it seriously ... I don't see it
Greg Page ... something was missing ..
John Conteh .. very good not great
Virgil Hill