How did super heavyweights suddenly improve?

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    They have always been around and were routinely beaten by 180-200 pound fighters in times past. And these fighters were 180-200 pounds on fight night. But today, it would be considered impossible for a 180-200 pound fighter to beat an Anthony Joshua or a Tyson Fury. At what point did super heavies drastically improve?
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Western populations got bigger, the overlap between big and good got bigger, experience in teaching bigger men provided avenues to excellence for trainers allowing the inherent advantage that size provides to bear fruit.
     
  3. Ice8Cold

    Ice8Cold Still raging that we didnt see Bowe V Lewis Full Member

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    It kind of began in the late 80s and early 90s with Bowe and Lennox whereby the big HWs didn't have just size, they actually had skill, and were properly coached and trained, also the evolving sports science with cardio etc, played a factor too.

    It was one of the reasons why Bowe V Lennox was such a big fight, it was basically meant to be the start of the modern era with two SUPER BIG guys that were actually skilled.

    Also, lots of Eastern Europeans were big HWs but like with Cuba - the Soviet Union did not allow them to compete professionally until after the Soviet Union broke up in the early 90s in which we saw Vitali, Wladimir, etc.
     
  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Increase in population, fall of communism, access, etc.
     
  5. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    They added two divisions between them
     
  6. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Growing populations, advancements in nutrition, sports science and PEDs.

    Similar reasons to why US footballers and rugby players, for example, are typically much bigger now than they were in eras from the distant past.
     
  7. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Why weren't Soviet fighters allowed to fight professionally?
     
  8. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The extremely short answer is communism.
     
  9. SixesAndSevens

    SixesAndSevens Gator Wrestler Extraordinaire Full Member

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    Tucker and Douglas are some of the first really BIG heavyweights to come to mind. Talented guys who were 6'5 and 6'4 a piece. Most other big guys before that I can't really credit with being that great of boxers- Baer, O'Halloran, etc.

    I think that by the start of the 80's, the average size of modern heavyweights had pretty palpably gotten bigger. Cooney was 6'6, Tate, Williams, and Smith were 6'4, Tubbs, Witherspoon, Thomas, Dokes, Coetzee, and Holmes were 6'3, and then guys like Tillis, Page, and Berbick were all 6'2. 6'1 was now below average amongst them.
     
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  10. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Because they’d end up as asylum seekers for international fights and good luck with a live gate in USSR.
     
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  11. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Their government wouldn't allow it.
     
  12. Ice8Cold

    Ice8Cold Still raging that we didnt see Bowe V Lewis Full Member

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    Because communist states knew and know that if a fighter goes professional they'll just defect for a better quality of life considering a communist economy has never succeeded. Happens a lot with Cuban fighters these days.
     
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  13. TheOldTimer

    TheOldTimer Active Member Full Member

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    As the art of infighting became all but lost. Fighters in general aren't as good as they used to be, they aren't as experienced and they're not being taught as well , it's not nostalgia it's just the way it is.
     
  14. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    There are two explanations that we might consider.

    One is that there are simply a lot more big men, hence more chance of getting a really good one.

    The other is that modern sports science, has benefited these men more than most.

    By that I mean that a man who would have been a 220lb string bean back in the day, can be built up into a 245lb monster today.
     
  15. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think its a combination of both