Mike Tyson vs Jersey Joe Walcott primes

LMAO!! I gotta give you credit--you're making your case pretty convincingly LOL!!

BUT.....I still think that if this hypothetical matchup took place and it was a 15 rounder Jersey Joe's got a shot to survive Tyson's early barrage and outlast him! Walcott at his best is a better fighter than all those opponents you cite.

Ultimately, if Walcott survives those initial rounds he has a chance for the upset.

 

Fair enough we'll agree to disagree i'm not trying to force my opinion on you so apologizes if it appears that way i'm just trying to make you see the fight at a different perspective.

 

Whoever wins does so on points.
Walcott rarely delivered KOs against contenders. On the flip side, they almost never knocked him out, he had a great track record of surviving punchers.

Tommy Gomez, Joe Baksi, Lee Murray, Elmer Ray, Ezzard Charles, Rex Layne, Curtis Sheppard, none could put a dent in him in.
The greatest puncher of all time had to go 26 combined rounds before taking out Walcott.
Prime Marciano only managed it after 13 rounds against a much older version.
If you combine all the rounds he did in his comeback, Walcott had an absurd total 162 rounds (eight hours and six minutes)* against notable or exceptional punchers.
If anyone could survive Tyson, it's Walcott.

*got my maths wrong, it's 153 rounds, 459 minutes or 7 hours and 39 minutes

 

Tyson didn't need the early stop but he did need the cushion of an early lead. And he had that cushion in every one of your examples. This is the key difference between these fights and Douglas where Tyson had to do a comeback.

Tyson benefitted off his fights being 12 rounders and not 15 but Walcott benefitted from them being 10 rounders and not 12. While its harder to blame Walcott for his lack of stoppages when his fights were shorter Tyson was able to get early stoppages against larger opponents with a consistancy Walcott couldn't under any circumstances. Walcott had knockdown power but it was the smallest era. Tyson hit harder for sure.

 

In 10 rounders in the smallest HW era this doesn't mean very much. The expectation before a major HW fight is it would go the distance. Sheppard and Charles both got KDs against him and Walcott was stopped 6 times. Not that his chin was bad but that doesn't really stand out amongst great HWs. Ray, Layne and Gomez got a lot of knockouts against lower level competition and top HWs don't really deserve a medal for going the distance with them. Who is the best HW Ray or Layne actually knocked out especially quick? Savold is the biggest name one of them knocked out easy. Sheppard was a power guy who lost most of his big fights nothing really out of the ordinary about Walcotts performance there.

Baksi and Murray won duration titles and were great fighters but Baksi had a sub .500 KO rate and Murray was DQd for not trying.


An alternative way to look at this is how many rounds he lost against so and so. And Walcott lost a lot of rounds against top flight competition.

Marciano was not an automatic quick knockout guy at the top level much less the "greatest puncher of all time". It took Marciano time to take down older Charles, older Louis and Moore too. Marciano is not Mike Tyson. Tyson secured early knockouts with greater consistancy and speed against larger better opponents than Marciano.

The idea that Walcott would have gotten knocked out more in a bigger era isn't purely hypothetical. Walcott was born in 1914 and was knocked out by Abe Simon and Ettore(who had a 32% KO rate).

 

Tyson destroys him brutally within 4 - 5 rounds.

Too much speed, power, aggression and ironically, size for JJ to do anything significant.

Mike's not getting stopped with a single counter - he's not Ezzard getting clocked with a single shot here. If Walcott lands that shot, Mike's got the chops to deal with his power and he hits harder than Rocco and significantly faster than him to boot.

 

1986-91 Tyson would beat prime Walcott.

 

No worries-you definitely made some compelling points--giving you a full "ten-hut" salute LOL!!

 

I think Walcott needs to wear down young Mike with the Bonecrusher approach first,then box him a bit to a decision.

 

Was Ten Hut that German guy Walcott beat?

Or what that Ten Huff? Or Tin Hoff?

 

Love Jersey Joe, but he gets knocked out by Mike Tyson. Walcott does better against Joe Frazier (though likely gets stopped late).

 

Yeah. No one smaller than Tyson beats him. And for those who say Holyfield beat him, Holyfield beefed up to 215 pounds of muscle to tango with Tyson. Holyfield gets knocked out if he steps into the ring at 187-190 pounds vs even 1996 Tyson.