Why did Lyle get a title fight against Ali & not Jimmy Young considering Lyle had just lost to him?

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  1. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lyle was coming off of a loss against Jimmy Young, then got the Ali title fight. Why did he get it and not Jimmy Young, or even just someone else entirely? Why did Lyle get it after coming off of a loss?
    Does anyone know why?
     
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  2. West of Hollywood

    West of Hollywood Active Member Full Member

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    I am a great admirer of Jimmy Young who arguably beat Ali and Norton and did beat Foreman and Lyle. But his fighting style and persona weren't that marketable with the masses.
     
  3. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So the fight got made because it made sense from a business perspective to the promoters, rather than which fighter actually deserved the title fight at the time?
     
  4. Frankus

    Frankus Active Member Full Member

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    You answered your own question.
     
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  5. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The champion doesn't have to fight the most qualified person every time. This false expectation led to the whole mandatory mess.

    But going back to 1975 Lyle was 30-2 and Jimmy Young was 14-4. If you take the H2H out of it Lyles resume was much better at this point.
     
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  6. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lyle already had a contract to fight Ali even before his team decided to match him against Young as a stay busy fight, but taking the fight and losing to Young wasn’t without consequences.

    Both Ali and his manager Herbert were pissed that Young completely embarrassed Lyle at the HIC in Hawaii, which was a very popular venue and the fight was widely broadcasted in both Hawaii and California, so Lyle was forced to take a huge purse reduction of more than half to keep the fight.

    Lyle was originally guaranteed $300,000 for the fight, but after the Young loss Ali and Herbert reduced the purse to $100,000 or no fight.

    Here is a piece talking a little about Lyle having to take a purse reduction to keep the fight.


    Ron Lyle woke up yesterday to discover he had lost $300,000.

    That's how much money Madison Square. Garden had guaranteed him to fight Muhammad Ali on June 2.

    There were only two “ifs” about the deal: Ali had to defeat Chuck Wepner next month in Cleveland, and Lyle had to defeat one Jimmy Young in Honolulu last Tuesday.

    Lyle didn't—in fact he suffered a unanimous 10‐round loss and one judge, Wilbert Minn, gave every round to Young.

    The defeat moved Mike Burke of Madison Square Garden to ask yesterday, “Who's Ron Lyle?”

    Burke added, “I think being knocked out changed a good deal for Ron Lyle.”
    https://www.nytimes.com/1975/02/13/archives/loss-costs-lyle-300000-bout.html
     
  7. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Didn't help that Young was still relatively unknown, unranked, and was coming off a draw where had to get off the floor in his previous fight. Even today, it's still a massively embarrassing loss along with their second bout that hurts Lyle's H2H standing severely imo.

    Exposed his lack of ring IQ, adaptability, and his utter inability to deal with a cutie.
     
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