Alexander Povetkin set to have 10 years of career results revoked due to PED punishment

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  1. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If the notion is people are only PED users because they've been busted, it's a laughable world.
    Common sense is actually about as accurate as testing in many cases, also due to the fact that they get tests wrong.

    The Holyfield situation has been described by many and is the most obvious case ever seen for a 'clean' athlete never busted.

    Mike Tyson also never failed a test but was 100kg lean at 5'10 just by doing old school training and dragging a tyre around. He admitted using a rubber willy to fake urine tests, claiming that was just for rec drugs. Again, it's laughable to pretend he wasn't on PEDs. He only faked urine tests for cocaine!

    Other problems surround 'PED cheats' such as convictions for substances that basically do almost nothing, and are only on banned lists in certain places, like Saunders with his nasal spray and actually like Povetkin one time with his over the counter drug that was legal in Russia and legal in sport for quite a while and Sharapova got done for that too. This stuff isn't even close to roids, hgh, testosterone, nandralone etc.

    So you have people defending Holyfield, Tyson and all kinds of crazy bulk gains from people like AJ/Wilder but they've never been busted and Saunders is a PED cheat for a nasal spray that was okay in the UK.

    But Connor Benn v Povetkin is the perfectly contrast of PED convictions being flexible depending on whether you're in a 'good country' or a 'corrupt country' and whether you're a brand of not. If Povetkin was a huge commercial brand in the Anglosphere, no way he'd be witchhunted.
     
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  2. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The point isn't only the ones who get caught are the ones on PEDs. The point is you can not punish a man for a test he never failed.

    We should be talking about what to do with failed tests not speculating on who was and wasn't on PEDs.

    Also, but him did it too doe, is a childish as **** response ... grow up.
     
  3. shavers

    shavers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Only if you want to hear it that way...yes it was probably the best shot of his career...
     
  4. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But again, the FBI could have pursued Holyfield and chose not do. It was a classic case of being allowed to do something because of name and status.

    Also, Roy Jones did fail a test and it was quietly never mentioned.

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    And there is a weird double-standard to it. I am not defending Povetkin...I have made my own threads where I said his whole career is tainted. But at the end of the day, Ostarine and Meldonium together don't equal taking HGH. Yet Holy and Jones (not sure what he was busted for) continue to be beloved figures on here.
     
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  5. BoxingIQ

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    Crawford is nect
     
  6. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Povetkin gets no hate here at all. Evan Fields and Roid Jones are the butt of PED jokes on a regular basis here (as illustrated).
     
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  7. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would agree Holy more than Jones but the amount of people who talk about Jones taking some kind of hit to his legacy is very small.
     
  8. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Genuinely asking,

    Has anyone ever been punished by a sanctioning body or commission following any law enforcement investigation?

    Was Holyfield ever prosecuted by anything?

    Do you mean actual record changes or just how revered these figures are by fans?
     
  9. catchwtboxing

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    Not that I know of.

    No, the FBI didn't pursue it. Just chose not to do anything with it. But it was a fact, and Holy admitted it...I think he said it was for his dad, or some garbage.

    I think ex post facto record changes after the fact are pointless. If someone is caught at the moment, sure, NC. But it does cast a cloud over their legacies in the court of public opinion.
     
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