Who ranks highest all time Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao or Usyk ?

He wrote similar things in his 2007 autobiography.

Yet many people still bizarrely give him a lot of credit for the win.

 

Why was cotto not prime, because he lost 2 fights to Marg and manny? Well Aj wasn't prime either for usyk. Come on, cotto was still in his prime when he fought Floyd

It manny was past prime, then obviously Fury was past prime too, considering how he looked 3 years away from the ring

He didn't fight prime Oscar, but he fought him when he could. Oscar was still only 34 and fighting at a weight he was extremely comfortable at. That win was easily better or as good as any usyks

Yes shane was past prime and old but I'm.ptetty sure Floyd wanted that fight much sooner, but shane had dental trouble or some other issue

Yes Floyd did cherry pick a little, but those wins above easily stack up against Usyks and jus win other Hatton is better than usyks over Bellew

Hernandez, castillo and corrales were also top wins at the time. Even a slightly green canelo is probably better than usyks cw wins outside of breidis and Floyd was an old man. 36 is different outside of Heavyweight

 

Floyd and Oscar were never in the same weight class throughout their careers. When Floyd became champion in 98 at 130, De La Hoya was at 147. When Floyd became champion at 135 in 2002, De La Hoya was champion at 154. When Floyd was at 140, De La Hoya was at 160. Even when they fought in 2007, Floyd was at 147 and De La Hoya was at 154. The fight happened when it was supposed to.

 

You really are just repeating what you already said. What do you mean so what if Tyson Fury almost lost to an MMA fighter? An MMA fighter with zero professional fights and you dismiss that as if that means nothing? Getting dropped and hurt by a fighter with no professional experience means nothing? That's a major negative. Floyd came out of a 2 year retirement at 40 and stopped an MMA fighter but Fury almost losses to one. The reason I brought up Joshua losing to Ruiz is that we can play these same games with Usyk's resume that you are playing with Floyd. You are bringing up names on Floyd's resume who lost to other elite fighters but Ruiz wasn't elite. That was a major upset at the time. Literally rated upset of the year by Ring Magazine but you are dismissing that loss as though it means nothing.

Cotto became champion after losing to Pacquiao and Margarito then became champion again 2x after losing to Floyd. What has Fury and Joshua done since losing to Usyk?

Manny became champion again after losing to Marquez then became champion 3x after losing to Floyd. Fury retired and Joshua was just destroyed by Dubois after losing to Usyk.

Shane I'll give you although he was the WBA champion and he was rated top 3 P4P when they fought. It's not like it wasn't a fight people wanted to see at the time.

Canelo went on to become an ATG after losing to Floyd.

I don't think they were because I don't rate Joshua and Fury as high as you do. I think their previous fights showed they weren't that great and the fact that they have done nothing of consequence after losing further proves it unlike a lot of the names on Mayweather's resume. I rate those wins as great wins for Usyk because of the size discrepancy. That's a lot of size to give up. I don't rate them because I think Fury and Joshua were great.

Why is a Briedis win on the level of Hatton and Corrales? Floyd dominated both and stopped them. Usyk won a MD. 7-5 7-5 6-6 is as good as 89-81 89-81 88-82 (Hatton) with a stoppage and 89-79 90-78 90-79 (Corrales) with a stoppage? I strongly disagree. For me it's not just about the win but the performance as well.

I think Floyd's top wins are superior regardless.

 

Cotto wasn’t in his prime. Nobody thinks that.


I didn’t say that Tyson or Floyd himself, wasn’t past their best for some of their best wins.

I just said that Usyk has comparable top wins.


Yes, Floyd fought Oscar when he could. But he’d still been inactive for a year, and had barely fought in 3 years. It doesn’t matter how old he was. He was faded and at the end of his career. He looked awful against Steve Forbes, and then Manny retired him afterwards. He only had 2 fights after he’d fought Floyd.

So Usyk definitely has wins comparable to that.


Again, their top wins are all comparable.

I agree regarding Breidis and Castillo etc.


Floyd didn’t have better wins.

He just has more wins, which give him a deeper resume.

 

Who has said otherwise??

That’s not what I replied to.

 

I replied to someone who said Floyd would have a few losses if he actually fought people in their primes by saying against who? You named Oscar. My response to you is essentially saying there was never a time when they could have fought prime for prime because they were never in their primes in the same weight class. Basically saying, Oscar is a pointless name to bring up. There was never a time they could have fought prime for prime because of the weight class difference.

 

Hang on a moment, YOU are just repeating what you have already said.

Look, it was me who initially replied to you, where you had dismissed Usyk’s wins, due to his opponents having either lost, or where they’d had bad performances.

So it was me giving you an example of where we can do also do that with Floyd’s wins.

It was me giving you an example of how and where that you’d been dismissive.


Now it is only fair to apply context to every opponent and situation.

For example:

Usyk gets credit for beating a motivated Fury, whilst being outweighed by 50 pounds.

Likewise, Floyd gets huge credit for his masterclass against Canelo, whilst being 36.


Again, all of their top wins are comparable.

It’s just that Floyd has more of them, so his resume is deeper.


That is all I’ve said.

So the rest of your points don’t warrant me going through each of them.

Again, I was giving you examples, of how you were being dismissive.


I don’t think that AJ and Fury were amazing. But they’d proven themselves to have been the best HW’s of their eras. And Usyk beat them both, whilst they were motivated, where he gave up a lot.


No, I don’t care about Tyson’s MMA fight, because it was supposed to be an exhibition. He clearly had zero motivation for the fight, he’d not trained, and he didn’t have the power to have gotten him out of there.

Whereas Floyd beat Connor easily, because he was 100% fit and motivated, to accomplish his goal of retiring with a 50-0 record.

So the circumstances were completely different.


Why are you doing direct comparisons with Cotto and Fury, asking silly questions like what has Fury done since the defeat to Usyk?

Usyk has only just beaten Fury, and Fury has nothing left to achieve.

Whereas Cotto still had other avenues to pursue.


Why isn’t Breidis comparable to wins over Corrales and Hatton? Hatton had a huge reach disadvantage, he was never great, and he wasn’t a WW either. Just because he was loved and really popular, it doesn’t make the win that much better.


There’s nothing to debate/argue here.

Floyd has the better win due to the depth.


However, considering that he has ZERO wins over a prime ATG, then his biggest wins are not on another level to Usyk’s best wins.

 

What are you talking about?

It was a hypothetical question.


Yes, they could not have fought at any other point.

Floyd deserves zero criticism for not having fought Oscar earlier.


So??

I can still put his name forward.


You asked the question.

You didn’t ask about their viability.


You just asked WHO.


So the answer is Oscar.


In 2007, Floyd was still GREAT.

Whereas Oscar was faded.

He was past his prime, and he’d been inactive.

He hadn’t fought in a year.

He’d only fought once in 3 years.

He retired just 2 fights later after having looked really poor.


Therefore, IF in 2007, Floyd had fought A PRIME version of Oscar, then it is absolutely realistic, to think that Oscar could have beaten him.

 

Pac
Floyd
Bhop
Rjj
Usyk

In that order for me since Duran.

 

I am repeating what I’m saying but adding context. I’m explaining why I believe Floyd’s top wins are superior. It’s not just because of the name. It’s also what they did after losing to Floyd. A lot of these fighters went on to still prove their greatness unlike AJ and Fury.

You are giving Fury the benefit of the doubt by talking about being motivated. For me, it’s just an example of him not being that great. Same with Joshua losing to Ruiz. Floyd himself said he barely trained for McGregor. He didn’t have a serious training camp. Still came off the couch and stopped him. Fury almost losses but I’m supposed to look at an Usyk win and say that win is comparable to any Floyd win? Not for me. Same with Joshua. Gets beat down by a tub of lard but Usyk beating him a couple of fights later is comparable to any Floyd win? Not for me.

Fury has nothing left to achieve according to you. There are fights people want to see. Fury just chose to retire.

Hatton was rated top 10 P4P was undefeated, dead in his prime and just recently made the hall of fame. Floyd dominated and stopped him. Where was Breidis ranked? Usyk definitely didn’t dominate or stop him.

Yes they are because he beat better fighters. Even if they weren’t prime, they were still better than Usyk’s best wins. Joshua losing to Ruiz and Fury almost losing to an MMA fighter are heavy negatives to me. For you, you give them the benefit of the doubt. I don’t.

 

I was strongly assuming reality took part in the discussion lol. If you are going to talk about who Floyd would have lost to had he fought a prime opponent, I’m strongly assuming there were prime opponents around that were available who could/would have beaten him that he didn’t fight. Not a fantasy situation that could have never happened.

 

Of course.

Nobody has said otherwise.

 

I don't agree
Cotto was in his prime, he still was effective in winning a title at 160 and defending and younger than Floyd

He lost to a man who might have been using bricks, who he avenged and lost to a greater manny at a catch weight

Cotto was very much in his prime, as prime as Aj was vs Usyk

Floyd has greater wins and more of them.