Usyk would clear every heavyweight division before him

Well, you just named two among others. There is also a potential rematch vs Dubois, a fighter who some believe has seen improvement since his first fight against Usyk.

I wouldn’t say Usyk is as effective against all styles - Chisora gave him a tough fight as did Briedis a few years prior to that.

It’s been said by a few here before that Usyk would catch hell trying to contend with Joe Frazier’s - and I agree with that assessment.

The best versions of both Ali and Holmes are also far superior to the versions of AJ and Fury that Usyk defeated and I personally have them beating Olek.

Ali himself was the personification of adaptability and having the ability to prevail over myriad styles and accented strengths.

 

There is no way that Usyk would "clean up" the 90s.
As with all the other ATG HW defeated in the 90s, Usyk would be defeated as well.

 

Sonny Banks and Henry Cooper were Muhammad Ali's early downfalls.
Muhammad Ali was the LHW Olympic Champion; Joe Frazier and George Foreman were HW Olympic Champions.
When Muhammad Ali "became a real heavyweight" they did not knock him down: Liston, Foreman, Shavers,...

 

He’s had just 7 fights at the weight.

So he isn’t in any way accustomed to every style.

It doesn’t matter if you think he’s better than everyone else.

Because the beauty of boxing, is that the better guy doesn’t always win.

The sport throws out surprising results, as each fight is determined by how the fighters match up on the night stylistically.

Now he's never seen a Lennox.

He’s never seen a Mike Tyson.

He’s never seen a prime Ali.

So they would have been incredibly difficult fights for him.

Also, it's completely unrealistic to believe that any HW could beat every other HW in history.

 

Liston just never hit him.

Foreman, Shavers, Lyle and the rest were when he was heavier, and could take punches better, but consequently lost as step.

I am not arguing otherwise too greatly. Ali was the greatest. But Usyk chin is a hair better in my opinion.

 

joshua and Fury were overhyped , but mike tyson is not ? Tyson is prob most overrated boxer of all time. Make tyson and holyfield go through proper testing and they’d look nothing like they looked in 90’s .

 

He would do well in any time period. Usyk is probably one of the most skilled heavyweights in history as well as being a master southpaw which people in the past were not used to fighting plus a great gas tank great adaptability would be hard for any boxer to deal with Usyk.

 

Compare their records.

Tyson in the 80s which is about just under 5 years into his career achieved more than Fury or Joshua have in their entire careers.

Tyson in the 80s went 37-0 with 33 stoppages won 10 world title fights against 8 top 10 ranked contenders.

Now that's just the 80s alone...now let's see the stats of Fury, Joshua, in their whole career.

Fury = 5 world title wins, 4 wins against opponents ranked in the top 10.

Joshua = 9 world title wins, 6 wins against opponents ranked in the top 10.

Now if we extend to Tyson's whole career.

Tyson = 12 world title wins, 12 wins against opponents ranked in the top 10.

So Tyson has a significant advantage in wins against ranked opposition and world title wins. And if you compare their top 10 wins Tyson would also have a significant advantage aswell.

As for Tyson's size at age 13 he was close to 200 pounds he was always naturally built like a tank.

 

The issue is Joshua and Fury have no relevant wins in years.

Furys last win over top 10 ranked opponent was a shopworn Whyte in 2022 who'd already been in alot of tough fights and been brutally KO'ed twice.

Joshua's only win vs a top 10 opponent in the last 4 years is Wallin who was barely ranked in the top 10 and realistically he's not a top 10 Heavyweight and that win has aged poorly.

Fury hasn't been tested enough against a variety of top Heavyweight contenders to really know how good he is. He's only beat 3 opponents ranked in the top 10....Wilder, Old Wlad, shopworn Whyte.

I mean let's base Furys H2H ability starting from going life and death with Wilder in their 3rd fight another win that has aged poorly BTW up until the Usyk fights.

Would anyone think Fury is the best Heavyweight in the world ? He fought the same guy 3 times Chisora, Wilder, having immense trouble vs Wilder. Almost lost to an MMA fighter and he clearly lost to Usyk.

Fury's resume since 2019 is 4-2 and arguably he could easily be 3-3 with alot of people thinking he lost to Ngannou.

Similarily Joshua's record since 2019 is 6-4 and he's 2-4 in his last 6 world title fights.

Would anyone think Joshua is a top 5 H2H Heavyweight based on his resume since then ?

Likewise Furys form since 2019 isn't exactly stellar either and his H2H ability has an asterisk over it.

So whilst Usyk gets credit for beating Fury, Joshua, based on the size difference which is impressive. But if we forget the size just for a moment and treat this as basing this on a fighters recent form. I would say it's highly debatable Joshua is a top 5 H2H Heavyweight and likewise Fury's H2H ability has a big question mark over it aswell.

 

No he wouldn't. Great fighter though.

 

You meant world title fights?

 

Mike is terribly overhyped by many.

However, that would have been a terrible stylistic match up for Usyk.

I would say the worst one for him out of any other HW in history.

 

Agree DP which is why I specified the “versions” of AJ and TF that Usyk prevailed over.

 

Come on man don’t mention fury or aj in same sentence as Tyson. Mike is youngest heavyweight champ of all time his record hasn’t been touch since 1986 and previously was Floyd Patterson from the 50s and you mention those names in same breath?

testing is bull**** anyways it only matters if your the money man or not. Does AJ have that body naturally but no one else can and also fury failed drug tests haha. Il give you Holyfield though with the Evan fields fiasco. I’d bet most elite over the years have some medical help, better more expensive doctors can help prevent getting caught

Tyson’s best wasn’t even in the 90s that’s post prison, cus and Kevin rooney he was on the decline.

it’s impossible to prove who wins on fantasy fights you can only go off comparing styles to make a decision and Tyson stylistically would be a nightmare for him