thunder don't waste your time with TFFP he's got a serious kung-fu grip on the nutsack of Joe(usually it's only a soft cupping)How can you define logic to a guy that thinks Joe Calzaghe is the greatest fighter in the past 25 years? It's not possible To be fair he can be somewhat rational when on anything but the said topic of Joe
Actualli I think Roy was the greatest fighter in the last 25 years or maybe 20 cu there was a Duran,a Hearns,a Leonard but Roy is the best in last 20.Calzaghe fought mostly bums and a few good guys,not enough.
I have already had this debate with TFFP. Pacquiao has been better over last 2.5 years, hence the reason he became p4p#1 and Calzaghe didn't, despite Calzaghe having far more time to prove his credentials. Look at standard of opposition, number of fights, and quality of performances. Pacquiao definitely edges Calzaghe IMO.
I havn't read all the comments on this thread but lets make one fact clear -Joe beats Jones on November 8th without a doubt !
Calzaghe last 2.5 years: 5 fights, 5 wins, 1 stoppage UD12 Jeff Lacy (very good performance v decent short-term alphabet champ) UD12 Sakio Bika (ok performance v decent challenger) TKO3 Peter Manfredo Jr (a joke.) UD12 Mikkel Kessler (career-best performance v very good short-term alphabet champ) SD12 Bernard Hopkins (unimpressive performance by Calzaghe. Edged a split decision on workrate alone) Pacquiao last 2.5 years: 7 fights, 7 wins, 4 stoppages TKO10 Erik Morales (rematch with the man who beat him. Became 1st man to stop HOFer Erik Morales UD12 Oscar Larios (equates with Calzaghe-Bika, ok performance v decent challenger) KO3 Erik Morales (wins series 2-1 by stopping Morales again. For the first time, Morales doesn't look like his old self though) KO8 Jorge Solis (ok performance v decent challenger) UD12 Marco Antonio Barrera (beats HOFer Barrera for the 2nd time with easy points win) SD12 Juan Manuel Marquez (edges a tight decision over the #3 p4p fighter in a brilliant fight) TKO9 David Diaz (wins world title at 4th weight with a masterclass and brilliant KO finish) Pacquiao has clearly been better over the last 2.5 years- that's why he's #1 and Calzaghe is #2 atsch DON'T say Morales & Barrera were washed-up - Hopkins?? (Morales was anything but washed-up in his 2nd fight with Pac, and Barrera had floored JMM and pushed him all the way in his previous fight - there is NO WAY Morales at 29-30 and Barrera at 33 were any more washed-up than a 43-yr-old man) DON'T say the Marquez decision was controversial - Hopkins?? SD. (and even then, Pac was amazing to have such a close fight with JMM, who is in great condition and is the #3 p4p. It was clear in the last rounds v Joe Cal, Hopkins no longer had the stamina to fight 12 rounds) Juan Manuel Marquez and Erik Morales are a ****ing damn sight better opposition than Jeff Lacy or Mikkel Kessler, and Pac never fought a Manfredo in this period. It's PACQUIAO.
I don't agree. Kessler is a better win than any of them, he was an undefeated unified champion who was at his prime or close enough - and it was a top performance from Calzaghe. We can't say that about Pacquiao's best win against a close prime opponent in Marquez, which was questionable - in other words he lost The others were old men, just as much as Hopkins. Except they had far more wars than Hopkins, and Hopkins was in better form with wins over Tarver and Wright. Calzaghe also stepped up a weight. "The work-rate point" as it should be known, is moot. Calzaghe made him tired. He had the stamina for 12 against Tarver/Wright who are world class in their own right, and was on top late The rest cancel each other