Would most hardcore fans prefer Crawford vs Vergil Ortiz over Canelo?

Nope.

 

Yep, much better fight.

Canelo is cherrypicking midgets now. It’s embarrassing.

 

On the other hand, you said in the other topic that Bud is elite. Elite fighters don't often get steamrolled. But the weight difference . . . OK but as Serge for example pointed out, Bud is 186 lbs it seems to be well established now that he has been boiling himself down to make lower weights for years. He also has the frame to matchup with Canelo. So I'm not entirely sure why you expect Bud to be steamrolled here. I would expect it to be a highly skilled chess match and quite possibly one of the greatest and most entertaining matches of all-time. And I don't agree about it being a "pointless high profile money grab". This is the biggest prize out there for Bud, it is prize fighting after all. And while I understand wanting to see Bud vs Ortiz, lets face it, Bud fighting Ortiz is going to impair his ability to beat Canelo, even if he wins. You certainly don't want to go into a Canelo match after being beat up against a big puncher like Ortiz, win lose or draw. And what if you lose to Ortiz, then Canelothe fight loses all its appeal and marketability. Bud is making chess moves here, you may not like it, you may not agree with it, though I don't see why not, I mean I could see why you would see it as a tough fight to win for Bud, but isn't that what fans want to see from their fighters, to take the biggest risks out there? To test themselves against the best?

You also stated that you sort of want to see Bud get smashed by Canelo because presumably the Madrimov decision and the fact that he really hasn't been in many stylistically challenging fights or fights against big punchers. Well here's his chance, and one thing we're seeing is that a good amount of fans seem to think Bud can and will beat Canelo. Canelo hasn't exactly been knocking out people, now maybe what you're getting at is that he won't be knocked out but that Bud'll end up being beat down and covering up like Jermell Charlo. But I don't think that's in Crawford's DNA, which means he could fight Canelo toe to toe at times and exchange with him. It's important to rememebr that Bud is sublimely skilled and has the frame to cause Canelo all kinds of problems. But Canelo has the power to put Bud's lights out so Bud's gotta be careful. It's a very intrugiing matchup, but maybe you're not sold on this due to what happened with Jermell. The difference here is that more fans think Bud has a chance to win than they thought Jermell had, and there's a reason for it. He's Elite! And Elite Fighters don't typically get steamrolled. So if Canelo does steamroll Bud, if it's a wide decision or something, then wow, that should mean Canelo should be seen as the clear P4P #1 or something. Now if Canelo KO's Bud, then maybe not, some fans won't give Canelo credit for the win, but lets face it, some fans don't give Canelo credit for practically any of his wins. As a fan I just want to see the Best Fight the Best. Meaning the Best Fighters in the Entire Sport Fighting Another One of the Best Fighters in the Sport whenever possible.

If you ask me I think the main reason Bud has sought out Canelo is because he respects him. After one of Bud's recent fights Canelo said on x how great of a fighter he thought Bud was. This is the kind of stuff we never really talk about but we can't ignore it any longer. Bud and Canelo were destined to fight each other. It was written in the stars. Well that is unless Scull shocks the world and pulls the upset of a lifetime. And if Bud don't get beat up too bad he can return to 154 to fight Ortiz. That fight will still be there for him but the Canelo fight won't be if he fought Ortiz first.

 

I certainly would, as it is a much more competitive and fair fight.
I can't deny the spectacle that the Canelo fight would be however. It would put a lot of eyes on the sport in America again and give the public an actual North American super fight that doesn't include a social media star.

 

Bud would stop Ortiz who is an improved fighter. I am not ruling Bud out against Canelo either. To beat Crawford I have to see it. Size alone won’t beat this cat.

 

Excellent analysis. I do think Bud will beat Ortiz and definitely not counting him out against Canelo.

 

I prefer Crawford vs Canelo. Crawford is too old to still be hanging around fighting nobodies and collecting belts. He wants to bow out and go out on a big, historic win, and what makes boxing for me is great achievements. Consistency is cool, but retrospectively no one will give a **** about the 154lb guys, and if there is one guy that manages to come out as some ATG caliber fighter later, Crawford’s victory will be downplayed anyway because that wasn’t the same guy he beat. Canelo is established, and proven. People will tout Crawford as the Goat for a few days if he beats Canelo.

and if he loses, who gives a flying ****. Better to take your risks against guys like Canelo than get caught slipping vs a young, unknown killer.

 

It's too late Bud is 38. Ortiz doesn't do enough for Crawfords resume and unifying 154 isn't going to make him drastically greater. If Crawford wants to be seen as a true great the only realistic way is to beat Canelo

 

Vergil no question, because it would mean that Crawford has something to lose…none of this win-win “daring to be great” cash out nonsense

 

I've always said that Canelo Crawford is a stupid fight, weight classes exist for a reason.
Crawford v Ortiz is an excellent fight I think the styles would gel and it would be a dog fight.