Send in your pre-Dempsey fighter to topple Bakole

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  1. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    Any picks on taking the big fella out?
     
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    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The chef at any decent restaurant
     
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    You can be big in a bad way. In a way they don't talk about on HBO's Sex and The City.
     
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    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jack Johnson.
     
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    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I wouldn’t give any of them a chance to be honest, far too small and most of them relied on the clinch game, which would be disastrous.
     
  8. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You guys consistently rated Bakole over Hunter, which is insane where I sit. Consequently, it's really hard for me to judge how much this forum believes in Bakole. Also, you guys are super into size regardless of era, which is different but very similar to putting modern morality into historical context it doesn't belong.

    Kleitomachos was supposedly a huge man, unpointed against, and champion in boxing, mma, and wrestling. Just worth mention imo.

    Tome Pancha would be like a smaller more clinchy and high stamina medieval Butterbean. I think it'd be entertaining. Kinda like a Tony Gallento. Might be considered smallish today but Bakole's not a great fighter so a 220 fat guy with stamina might get him. Another honorable mention if nothing else.

    I would be curious to know how Bakole would deal with a flopper. That exists from the mid 1800s through the 1890s. BK years get the addition of cleated kicks, but even in the gloved era bigger guys like Maher would lose to smaller guys like McCoy due to some shitty tactics little guys used to be able to get away with, like flopping. Perry at 190 with the ability to flop might take Bakole over 12.

    When black men got barred from title fights they did not simply create an alternative title. They created an entire alternative sport no one seems to really recognize today. Funny thing is this forum loves Tunney though. Tunney is the pioneers right? Except he got his pioneering ways from Corbett and that's not even a tiny bit controversial to say. Corbett also got his new fangled defense from somewhere; black boxing. Professor Hadley and Thunderbolt Smith and such. Who got their take on boxing from an older generation themselves and I'm just going to skip to the end here; it's Daniel Mendoza's School of Boxing. Dig this, Mendoza did impress the nation with defense, but he also failed to change what gets attention and big dudes with flash KOs always get attention. His boxing became a training and it would not be until the 1820s when the former Cribb contender Bill Fuller would move to America to start a sparring center. He advocated for a separate sport that was centered around sparring rather than real fighting. Similar to our boxing today, with gear on. Fuller would inspire Aaron Molyneaux (Not related to Tom) to do the same. Aaron became popular but being a black man, he trained other black men in the ways he knew how to box; sparring. Molyneaux would become so famous he'd be the first black professor in Harvard ... teaching PE of course but still that's dope for any boxer let alone a black man in the 1830s. His training was the back bone to black boxing gyms but on the white side of things the mufflers(gloves) would be used as Broughton envisioned; for testing a man, not training a man. As the benefits for sparring as training tool become more obvious to boxing as a whole we start to see more and more white defensively minded boxers until the modern era when what used to be specifically black, like rolling after a jab instead of bouncing out, became "american" defense. All of that is to say, I do not think Bakole has the adaptability to hang with the true pioneers of boxing. Whatever the size, it was never their physical assets that protected them in the first place. It was their mind, and Bakole is stupid.

    Jackson
    Corbett
    Maher
    Fitzs
    Sharkey
    Jeffries
    Childs
    Martin
    Burns
    Johnson
    Vea
    Langford
    Jeanette
    Wills



    And no, I'm not one of these always favors the old guy, guys. It's just Bakole sucks on the all time scale. If you ask me about Usyk I'll tell you all about globalization and how Dempsey isn't even a real world champion, but, you asked about Bakole. Dude, I don't care if he's 500 pounds of Bakole, Wills all days long, Jackson all day long, any man in between, because Bakole's just like the old timey big fat guys who were such **** houses they didn't even need weight divisions yet.
     
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    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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  11. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    All of that just to forget that Bakole was just learning to fight when he faced Hunter and also got injured