Fights that happened vs. when they should've happened

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by elrond_buggard, Feb 26, 2025.


  1. elrond_buggard

    elrond_buggard Member Full Member

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    Thought it'd be fun (well, bittersweet) to put together a thread of big-name fights that happened past their sell-by date, and making a case for when those fights should've happened to have had more value legacy-wise, been better spectacles etc. I'm looking at the kind of fights that could've been legacy-defining classics at the right moment in time, but ended up being kind of meaningless or at least 'meh.'

    I'll start:

    Lewis vs. Tyson: fought in 2002, should've fought in 1996 (6 years earlier)
    Lewis' victory over the shell of Tyson is probably one of the most meaningless 'name' victories in boxing history. Tyson's prime was really in the late 80s, and with Tyson's prison time there was never really an 'optimal' time for them to fight prime vs. prime.

    That said, Tyson looked solid on his comeback run, picking up a title off Frank Bruno and coming off a bunch of KO victories in quick succession. It was his last solid 'run' in the division. Lewis himself was in his prime around this time, with victories over Mercer, Morrison, Bruno, and Tucker behind him. Certainly, Lewis would still have the advantage in terms of prime-ness, and you'd have to favour him, but at that point in Tyson's career it'd have been a much more meaningful fight legacy-wise rather than the sad affair vs. a totally finished Tyson whose subsequent fights showed he had nothing left.

    Khan vs. Brook: fought in 2022, should've fought in 2011 (9 years earlier)
    This is a tough one, because Khan's prime was around 2009-2011, when Brook was still fighting jobbers (which is strange, seeing as Brook's career started before Khan's). At this time, both men had 20-something fights, and Khan was still world champ before his career went on the slide following successive defeats to Garcia and Peterson. Khan still had his aura, while Brook had picked up decent wins off the likes of Galarza and Lovemore Ndou.

    At the very latest, Khan could've got a shot at Brook's world title after Brook won it off Porter in 2014, with Khan coming off a nice series of wins over the likes of Collazo and Devon Alexander. Khan's chin was probably broken at that point (though arguably, it always was), but at least he was naturally fighting at welterweight around that time.
     
  2. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lets cut to the chase, the biggest fight in the last 50 years was the 2010 Mayweather vs Pac fight that was the biggest fight since Leoanrd Hearns in 81. Funny how some here think when it actually went off in 2015 it really meant something ...
     
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  3. Ice8Cold

    Ice8Cold Still raging that we didnt see Bowe V Lewis Full Member

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    Tyson V Holyfield should have happened in 1990/91 - Douglas fight was tune-up to a megabout between Tyson and Holyfield. Before Tyson went to jail.

    Ali V Holmes - Should have happened a few years earlier instead of Ali fighting Shavers or Spinks.

    Bowe V Lewis - slightly cheating here! They fought as amateurs in 1988 in the Olympic final but they should have fought in 1993.

    I'd argue Fury V Usyk happened a year and a half too late. And a fair few fights got pushed back due to COVID. Was thinking SRL V Hagler but both looked good enough that night and the fight should have been a draw IMO.
     
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  4. elrond_buggard

    elrond_buggard Member Full Member

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    Tyson - Holyfield: Yep, that's a good one. Also kind of links to my own about Tyson-Lewis, because if Holyfield had fought Tyson pre-prison, there'd have been less call for them to fight post-prison, and at the time when Tyson fought Holyfield is when I would've had him fighting Lewis. It's a shame that Tyson's biggest fights happened when he was post-prime and shot vs prime and post-prime, respectively.

    Ali - Holmes: I'd argue that Ali and Holmes should never have fought. Ali's prime was in 65-67, and he was already way past it and probably starting to get Parkinson's by the late 70s. I think it would've been marginally more competitive, but still a sad spectacle.

    Bowe - Lewis: Yep, cheating haha, but that would've been great to see.

    Fury - Usyk: Agreed, could've happened a bit sooner, but I don't think the 1.5 years would've changed the dynamic of the fight too dramatically. Fury/Usyk 1 is still a classic in my eyes, between the top 2 of the HW division, so I'm happy we got to see it (and the follow-up happened nice and soon after to wrap up all doubt, though it was less exciting). I don't feel like we were 'robbed' of anything there, so it wasn't too egregious.
     
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  5. elrond_buggard

    elrond_buggard Member Full Member

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    Probably the absolute biggest loss to boxing that one. Two ATGs at the height of their powers, and it didn't happen due to weirdo boxing politics (I don't really know who to blame). Came 5 years too late. Granted, both were still very high-level boxers, but it was far from fight that we should've got in 2010, with Pacquiao having lost 2 of his previous 5 and clearly being on the slide.
     
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  6. Jakub79

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    Foreman-Ali II 1976
    Leonard - Hagler II 1988
    Tyson - Holyfield 1991
    Bowe - Lewis 1993
    Jones - McLellan 1994
    Jones - Benn 1995
    Tyson - Lewis 1996
    Jones - Darius Michalczewski 1998
    Ike - Lewis 1999
    V Kliczko - Lewis II 2003
    Kliczko - Kliczko 2009 hmmm....
    Paquiao - Mayweather 2010
    Fury - Joshua 2020
     
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  7. Overhand94

    Overhand94 Active Member Full Member

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    Joshua vs Wilder 2018/2019
     
  8. FThabxinfan

    FThabxinfan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Duran vs Leonard III should've happened right after the Moore destruction/the punchin' with Marvin
     
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  9. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Whitaker vs Chavez Sept. 1994 at catchweight 145lbs

    Should have happened Sept of 1990 at 140lbs.
     
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  10. Smoochie

    Smoochie greb stan Full Member

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    Jones/Hopkins rematch in 2002.
    Jones would have won imo but it have a better scrap than whatever we got years later.
     
  11. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    First fight that sprang to mind.
     
  12. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Excellent pick. This was the one. FM didn't want nothing to do with that version of Pac.
    I'll add Canelo making G wait to get older.
     
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  13. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Roberto Duran vs Pipino Cuevas in 1978 or 79,,,this would have been a macho war that all eyes of the boxing world would have been tuned into had it occurred back then.
     
  14. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Rafael Herrera v Romeo Anaya - we got the title fight for Herrera's WBC bantamweight title, but c'mon! Anaya was WBA champ 6 months earlier. Why not the unification when the iron was hot?

    also

    Lupe Pintor v Jorge Lujan - again, in '80 this would have been a huge fight to unify the title (Lujan was WBA champ and Pintor was WBC champ). They finally met in '82 but by this time they were ex-champs and this was a 10-rounder.
     
  15. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Holyfield-Tyson 1 and Mayweather-Pacquiao were both 5 years too late. Not 5 and a half years too late, or 5 years and a couple months, but very close to exactly 5 years.

    November 8, 1991 to November 9, 1996
    May 1, 2010 to May 2. 2015

    Trinidad-Whitaker would have been better a few years earlier. After a great 94’, Tito got put on the backburner from 95-98 with Tyson’s return to boxing.

    Whitaker started really slipping in 96, so I guess a matchup in 95’ would have been great.
     
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