Tyson (Spinks fight) Vs. Lewis (Golota fight)

I totally agree. Lewis wouldn't come out boxing or running, he'd come out and repel his attacks with huge uppercuts mixed with effective clinches. Steward knew you had to get his respect early. Trying to evade him or play defensive played right into his hands. The most dangerous period would be the initial moments and it's not impossible that Tyson might find an opening but i'd back Lewis to land some serious bombs and manhandle him in clinches. Once he stemmed Tyson's initial onslaught Lewis would have more room and space to paint Tyson with his own offense. He'd grind him down over several rounds before ending the night for the disgruntled and beaten Tyson.

 

The aggressive Lewis in his prime was unable to defeat Ray Mercer convincingly. Fighting Tyson as he did Ray Mercer he would have been in much greater danger and it would not have been a close fight.

In turn, the cautious Lewis in the fight with the completely exhausted, taking antidepressants Tyson who after a few minutes ran out of fuel needed 8 one-sided rounds to knock Tyson down and he did it when he was also completely tired.

So how could Lewis do it with Tyson who was much faster, more agile, more precise and just as durable than the obese and inactive Ray Mercer? who was in every way a much better version of Tyson from 2002?

 

You always know when someone has to hone in on one single fight and puts many eggs in that one basket they are grasping for a result they want.

Mercer had qualities Tyson didn't. He was stronger mentally, never quitting and he was more durable overall as well. Mercer soaked up some tremendous punches, punches whose effects would have shown more visibly on Tyson. Tyson also wouldn't be facing that version of Lewis nor have that undersized ring.

Tyson was 23 when Buster Douglas beat him from pillar to post round after round. No doubt you will totally dismiss that while plucking out a version of Lewis were he wasn't dominant.

The biggest Tyson fans/Lewis detractors always bang on about him taking 8 rounds to put away Tyson. Lets forget that no-one had KO'd Tyson, even by that point, sooner. Well except for Tyson quitting against Holyfield by getting DQ'd to avoid a beating. Lewis belted him all night and wasn't in trouble once so it was a solid nights work for The Lion.

Earlier on you tried to say if Tyson didn't knock Lewis out early that Tyson "would win after 12 ugly rounds due to greater activity. It would be something between Tucker-Tyson and Smith-Tyson but it would be worse". Blind Freddy knows it would be nothing like those two fights. As if Lewis is going to be so negative and agreeable.

Once the first couple of rounds are over Tyson slows down, both due to needing to pace himself and the thunderous uppercuts he eats as Lewis is forced to fight him off or tie him up. Lewis would keep him paying at long range with jabs and big right hands and when he come in he'd either get timed or tied up. In clinches Lewis would be looking to bully him with those murderous uppercuts when he found the opportunities.

Lewis knows exactly how to use his size against a guy like Tyson and use it he would right from the opening round.

 

Do not forget Lewis actually broke his right hand in the fight and needed to wait for the adrenaline to kick in before he started to use it again. He also wasn't '97 Lewis anymore, he was literally older than Tyson and past his prime as well.

 

you probably keep writing about Tyson after 1995. As if you don't see the difference between Tyson from the 80s and after prison.

The subject of the post is quite clear: Tyson from the fight with Spinks and Lewis from the fight with Golota.

Tell me in which fight before Holyfield 2 Tyson withdrew because he got hit hard?
In which fight before 1995 did he get tired after a few rounds and didn't have the strength to fight any longer?

 

Yeah lately been incline to think this too tbh

 

A 2002 washed-up Tyson was able to back Lewis up and make him hesitant in the first round.
I don't see the 1988 version of him (who was miles better in every department bar the power) losing to Lewis.

 

1. Tyson was never under near the pressure Holyfield put on him in his initial run. It's unchartered territory. Well actually it isn't, Buster Douglas happened. Is that pre prison Tyson? I reckon it is.

2. Yet there you are putting all your eggs on an evolving Lewis who'd had less than 15 rounds of action under Steward.

3. Where did i say anything about getting hit hard? Are you actually reading? He knew if he bit again he'd get DQ'd, and he sure WENT FOR IT. It saved a longer beating.

Are you trying to say he was too tired to go on?

 

Tyson

 

Though I don't entirely agree with this, it is a more than valid argument imo.

 

I'm using double standards my friend

1. You can bet that the fight with Douglas is Tyson's standard, but then how on earth did a boxer who clearly loses to Douglas manage to win 37 previous fights, including 10 championship fights?? Why didn't a clearly better fighter than Mike do it? Either this one fight was a coincidence or Douglas' entire career was a coincidence and Tyson's entire career was an accident judge for yourself which is more likely.

2. I think you didn't watch the Buster-Tyson fight. Douglas won 7 rounds in a row with Tyson, having a much bigger advantage over Tyson than Holyfield. If your theory about Mike makes sense, Tyson should have bitten Douglas long before the knockout,. bite Holyfield in the 1st fight, bite Lewis in Memphis etc., meanwhile he didn't do that, he just put Douglas down in the 8th round for 14 seconds after getting beaten for 7 rounds and for 8 rounds he endured a one-sided beating from Lewis. He was also hurt with Tucker, Bruno 1, Ruddock. But he fouled without being hurt with Botha in the 1st round, with Savarese, with Golota, with Norris, all this after 95, in 1998 he was diagnosed with mental disorders but we are still talking about 1988!!!
I try to read what you write to me but you at least read the subject of the post.!!

 

Yes, I'm exposing them.

The fight was a culmination of events, but that's not the point.

Do you think Tyson didn't have some mental disorders going on in 1988?

What exactly is my theory? Quitting can manifest itself in many ways. Sure, Tyson took his beating like a man against Douglas and in Holyfield 1 but he never won a big fight from behind. If you could get on top you could stay on top. Now getting on top sure isn't easy but there are boxers I'd back to do it, albeit not too many.

 

I'm trying to read and try to understand your point of view. Be understanding if I can't understand things like:
1. You write that Tyson broke down in the second fight with Holyfield and on this basis he would break down with Lewis in his 1988 form. Why?
With Douglas he took a worse beating for 7 rounds and not only didn't break down but also came back to the game almost winning the fight
2. With Holyfield 1 he was demolished much more than in the rematch and fought until the end.
3. With Lewis in 2002 he was destroyed much more than with Holy 2 and he fought to the end
4 With Bruno, Tucker, Ruddock he was injured much more than with Holy 2 and he fought to the end

Tyson has fought over 50 fights in his career.. in how many did he break down not accepting that he was losing and was being beaten??
Does the fact that Duran withdrew from the second fight with Leonard, Vitali stayed in the seat with Byrd and Holyfield stayed in the seat with Williams mean that in every hypothetical scenario we will take such a variant as the most likely? Each of them will withdraw having problems or an injury?

I don't know if Tyson had mental problems in 1988 but I know that he fought 42 fights then and got 1 or 2 warnings.

After 1995 Tyson fought 3 times less and got a lot of warnings, was disqualified, had two no contests, was on the verge of disqualification several times, hit the referee, hit the gong, bit ears, tried to break hands and hit with head and officially underwent psychiatric treatment because otherwise he would not have received a license.

Friend, if you do not see the difference between Tyson from 88 and 1997 then go to Wikipedia or boxrec and check at least the statistics.

 

Yes, there's a clear difference in Tyson's mentality before and after prison.
Before jail, although he could be frustrated, he always carried the " refuse to lose " attitude and was willing to go through war to win.
After prison, he allowed himself to be bullied (cf Mcneeley/Holyfield) and didn't react well mentally when being hit.