Rocky Marciano vs. Jimmy Ellis (both prime)

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Who wins?

  1. Marciano on Points

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  2. Marciano by TKO/KO

    27 vote(s)
    84.4%
  3. Draw

    1 vote(s)
    3.1%
  4. Ellis on Points

    1 vote(s)
    3.1%
  5. Ellis by TKO/KO

    3 vote(s)
    9.4%
  1. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Ellis had the skill, but lacked the will to stay focused on a game plan sometimes. Especially against men he had no business mixing it up with.

    Shavers told Ellis' camp "Tell your light heavyweight boxer that Earnie Shavers is coming for him", an obvious taunt highlighting the fact Ellis wasn't a natural heavyweight to instill fear. Instead of being cautious and trying to box Shavers, Ellis ego prevented him from doing this and he was aggressive from round 1...and was KO'd. That was the Acorn's clever plan all along since he knew he probably couldn't outbox Ellis.

    So you're 100% spot on that a combination of Ellis' bad habits and Rocky's relentless pressure would lead to Ellis' demise. I would predict Rocky has trouble early, but eventually kicks things up a notch around round 4 and eventually wears Ellis down by rounds 8-10.

    As a side note, Ellis would probably be Rocky's 5th best win overall. He was a good fighter with many good attributes and skills, but a little undersized and lacked the raw power to keep Rocky from bulldozing him once he's hurt.
     
  2. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    While he had skills, I think in his mindset and in his heart Jimmy Ellis was more fighter than pure boxer. That served him well at times but worked against him at others.

    I like that about him — he could have probably been proto-Jimmy Young had he wanted to be, but he had too much warrior in him to go that route. (And I like Jimmy Young, but Ellis was a ‘to thine own self be true’ kind of fighter.)
     
  3. Glass City Cobra

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    Quarry and Holyfield too. They could've been marvelous boxers/defensive fighters if they had a more cautious mindset.
     
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  4. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Ellis was a terrific , vastly underrated fighter ... it would be a ar w Rocky but that's why ultimately Jimmy, over 5, would lose ... he was too brave ..
     
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  5. SixesAndSevens

    SixesAndSevens Gator Wrestler Extraordinaire Full Member

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    To be entirely fair to Ellis... He DID have Shavers hurt bad in the first, and Earnie had to hit him while holding the back of his head to take him out.

    Also gonna go out on a limb here and say that Rocky probably gets dropped at least once before he knocks Ellis out. Jimmy had some pretty admirable punching power, and Marciano will be right there to feel it.
     
  6. Glass City Cobra

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    Yes, all that is true. Shavers did use crude tactics to nail Ellis. But that might not have happened if he didn't try to slug it out with Shavers. :lol:
     
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  7. The Fighting Yoda

    The Fighting Yoda Active Member Full Member

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    Interesting, although the weight difference between Frazier and Ellis wasn't that big in their first bout (just 4 Ibs), compared to Dempsey vs. Willard, Fury vs. Usyk or whatever... A lot of subjective perception. Frazier felt himself stronger and more powerful, I reckon, obviously that was also the case compared to almost all other HWs of his time.

    Anyway, who do you favour between Marciano and Ellis?