“Don’t tell me of John L. Sullivan!”

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  1. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    Interesting takes of Charles Leahy talking to T. P. Magilligan in 1922;

    Jack Dempsey is the greatest Heavyweight that ever lived, or who is living today. Don’t tell me of John L. Sullivan! I saw Sullivan in his prime, and while he was a good one, he could not be considered in the same class with Dempsey?
    Sullivan delivered a terrific blow when he landed, but before a good boxer, Sullivan was always like the milkman, 'a little late'.
    The Boston Strong Boy beat up the best men of his day, but the best men of his day were a sad lot. Let me tell you, that in the days when Sullivan was ruling the roost and when he was Champion, they'd be able to pick a man off a dray and pit him against Sullivan. Naturally Sullivan would beat all such men. He beat the Pddy Ryan's, the Jake Kilrains, the Joe Gosses, the Maoris, the stevedores of his day and age, but, who among that motley throng, knew the fine art of pugilism as Jack Dempsey knows it?
    The only’ man who could fight his way out of a paper bag that Sullivan ever met was Charley Mitchell, of England and weighing fully 40 lbs less than the ferocious Sullivan. They met twice, once in The Garden, in my own state, and later at Chantilly, France. At the first meeting Mitchell struck Sullivan a blow in the mouth that knocked down the great John L. Of course - in what happened after that - Sullivan had the advantage, but show me any man of the weight of Mitchell that could hit Dempsey and knock him down?
    ln Chantilly, France, Sully was lucky to fight a draw with the same Mitchell. Now will anyone dispute Dempsey could have licked Mitchell at his very best in a couple of punches - or one punch?
    No, I for one, most certainly do not think that Sullivan could hold a candle to Dempsey. Then we will come on to Jim Corbett, who was probably the cleverest of all the first big fellows, but Corbett, while cleverer was not a whit faster than is the Dempsey of today - and the heaviest punch that Corbett ever delivered in his life would fall like a drop of snow on a church steeple on the rugged Dempsey?
    Corbett at his very best would have been just about a quarter of an hour's exercise for Dempsey."
     
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  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Sounds like any contemporary critic reflecting on the previous generation . At least we know that WE didn’t invent that..
     
  3. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    It’s definitely filled with bizarre takes, but in some ways he gave old timers credit like by calling Corbett more clever than Dempsey
     
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    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Pure rubbish and sacrilege.
     
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  5. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    “That’s ****ing haram!!”

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  6. The G-Man

    The G-Man I'm more of a vet. Full Member

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    Modern is better.

    in 1922.

    But he was right.
     
  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    There were a lot of people who saw Sullivan from ringside, who also saw Jeffries or Johnson from ringside.

    There were relatively few who saw Sullivan from ringside and also saw Dempsey from ringside.

    It is in my opinion that Sullivan's opposition were a comparatively weak bunch, for teh reasons that I have previously given, but I cannot be sure of this.
     
  8. tommytheduke

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    Rings a bell (much like DiBella or DanRafael praising Wilder)
    Btw at that point Dempsey was just as unproven