Look, I want to see it as much as anyone, but Usyk is not "ducking" Parker.

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  1. Clout

    Clout Member Full Member

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    This is just silly. If Usyk wanted to punish Dubois he would fight Parker. Agreeing to fight Dubois is giving him a gift, even if he beats him. It would be easy not to fight him and to just keep saying (as many have) 'what is the point, I've already beat him so decisively that I made him quit. People who quit in fights don't usually get a rematch'
     
  2. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, nothing wrong with facing Dubois even though I'd probably have preferred Parker.
     
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  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    It's not only untrue and absurd to suggest Usyk is ducking J-Park, it's downright disrespectful to Usyk given the man he is, his track record, and the way he has conducted himself and his career path

    Again, I love J-Park, don't think I've ever rooted against him, and I would rather see him vs Uysk for a number of different reasons but if some of his fans are going to be so disrespectful towards Usyk and throw around these ridiculous ''ducking'' accusations I'm going to fire back

    Firstly, contrary to what many are saying, Dubois is the more dangerous and risky option for Usyk not J-Park

    Aside from him possessing devastating power and being one of the top 3 hardest punchers in the division, he's performed much better vs all the common opponents he shares with J-Park, brutally knocking out one of the fighters who beat J-Park, scoring a HL reel KO2 over one of the fighters who took J-Park the distance, and losing on an eye injury in a razor close very competitive fight to the fighter who knocked J-Park out

    Secondly, Dubois' three fight run since losing to Usyk is more impressive for me than J-Park's three fight run is

    Dubois won all his fights via KO or stoppage, whereas, J-Park only won 1 of his via stoppage

    Beating AJ >> beating The Dosser who so many say is completely shot

    But sparking out AJ sure as hell is more impressive than beating even a prime Dosser on points who has been brutally KO or TKO'd in all his other losses

    Beating Big Bang on points, in a fight where Bang dropped you twice despite barely letting his hands go, is not as impressive as stopping the iron-jawed Hrgovic. Sure, the headbutts were disgraceful and should not have been allowed but Hrgovic and Big Bang are about the same level or were when they fought and Hrgovic is much younger than him

    Bakole is better than Miller but Miller had a full camp, whereas, conversely, Bakole came off the couch, a long flight, on 48 hours notice and, contrary to what we'd lead to believe, had not sparred in over 4 months and was in much worse shape than we'd been told he was. Bakole arrive in Saudi like 18 hours if not less before he was due in the ring looking utterly exhausted. Dubois stopped a full camp iron-jawed Miller who actually trained to fight him

    If you want to make an argument J-Park's three fight run is better feel free but even if it is it would only be slightly so

    And Dubois has 2 losses to J-Park's 3 and the later has at least one unofficial loss in addition to that to Chisora, and arguably lost at least 2 other times too

    Dubois lost to Usyk and Joyce

    J-Park lost to AJ, Joyce and Whyte and arguably lost to Chisora, Fat Andy and Hughie

    If AJ is such a ''bum'' then what's more impressive out of brutally knocking him out or losing on points to him?

    If Belly's resume is trash and The Dosser is a bum then what's so impressive about J-Park boxing extremely tentative fight against a shot old version of him

    If Hrgovic is a bum then what's so impressive about beating an old version of the guy he lost to or in most people's eyes edged by a point because of a bogus KD, especially when the OAP dropped you twice and would've knocked you out had they actually threw more than 3 punches a round?

    You can't have it both ways just like you can't claim Dubois was robbed against Usyk and then claim he's ducking J-Park if he fights Dubois

    And Usyk has history with Dubois and he wants to silence the critics who have been so vocal about the first fight. He's 37 y/o and he could've easily pulled a Lewis and ducked the rematch like Lewis did to Vitali at the same age
     
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  4. ellerbe

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    If people say Usyk is ducking Kabayel I can understand it. That’s a new style, but Parker? To quote he’s a horrible fighter
     
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  5. Kiwi Fish

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    I don't think Usyk is ducking Parker, he just prefers to fight Dubois. Say he has the choice between belts, one comes with more money against an opponent he already beat easily, vs less money against a more unknown quantity. Easy to see the smart choice.

    Saying that, no one really knows what's going on in a fighters head or their camp/management and "ducking" as a thing only really exists is the minds of the public and the fans, as in it has no real consequence in the reality of a fighters career outside of public opinion.

    So if the public think someone is ducking, thats all that really matters, regardless of whether they truly are or not.
     
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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    How long does Jack Massey last vs Dubois before he gets violently KO'd? 1 or 2 rounds?

    If Usyk is going to lose at this age it's going be because of getting caught with something massive by one of these prime way bigger giants due to his age related decline not due to being outboxed. And given how Dubois has murderous power and not only has HL reel KO'd fighters who've beaten J-Park or who J-Park couldn't stop but would do the same to many of the other fighters who've beaten J-Park, arguably beaten him or who took him the distance and we all know this

    And the risk vs Dubois is also increased due to how dirty he is, especially if the fight is in the UK where Usyk could very well will be facing 5 people in the ring not just 1 in J-Park
     
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  7. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Uh, actually, this is not how real men think at all.
     
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  8. DaRealJT

    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Now, I don’t think Usyk is scared of Parker at all, because Parker is a very beatable opponent who doesn’t particularly offer any real challenge.

    However, if Usyk really does drop his WBO belt to avoid facing his ordered mandatory Parker, to instead rematch Dubois whom he already made quit with a jab, that is ducking.

    To be clear: it doesn't matter who you are, vacating belts to avoid your ordered mandatory, in order to rematch a guy you already dominated in a one-sided fight, is 100% ducking.

    I like Usyk, but only he could get this level of mental gymnastics fanboying over him.

    (That’s not even mentioning the fact that Usyk has thus far refused to even acknowledge Agit Kabayel’s existence.)
     
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  9. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Again, it's not ducking. Usyk has made a different evaluation. There is no way to make this ducking.
     
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  10. mrbigshot

    mrbigshot Active Member Full Member

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    Sure, but we have to remember we have many casual users here and emotions rise quickly .

    The real question is not if usyk ducks parker but why .

    The if is answered very quickly : parker calls usyk out , parker is the wbo first mandatory but usyk refuses and for sure pays off wbo to keep silent .

    Of course usyk ducks here.

    He eliminates any risk to loose a fight and ukraine needs a hero .
     
  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Jesus wept. Usyk is 38 y/o, says himself he only has 2 fights left, and is fighting someone who god knows how many morons claimed was cheated out of a win against him in a ''controversial fight'' and who they also claim is much improved now since his recent run of form of three stoppage wins in succession. If he fights J-Park instead he gets crucified for ''ducking'' a rematch with a ''much improved'' and ''much more experienced'' fighter ''who knocked him out with a body shot'' in their first ''highly controversial fight.''

    Dubois is the much more dangerous and risky fight for Usyk at his age, an age in where he is a couple of months away from becoming the 6th oldest HW champion of all time and will be the 5th oldest if he still holds the belt at the end of July. He's already the 8th oldest and the 3rd oldest unified champ and 2nd oldest undisputed one as it stands right now. So he's taking on the much more dangerous option, a fight I would rather him not take at his age.

    Even Don Charles said most fighters would not have been man enough to do that and would've swerved the fight with a W already over Dubois and I agree with him. Dubois hits like a mule on steroids and is much bigger, younger and fresher than him.

    And we don't know who the 2nd opponent will be yet. It could be J-Park. I get that many are desperate to see Usyk lose but he has zero history of ducking anyone. Quite the opposite, in fact, and if others have earned the right to fight who the hell they want at his age then so too has he

    Hell, he could tuck tail and run from the sport like Lewis did at the same age as him and Lewis was not only an actual legit HW but a giant facing men his size or smaller not way bigger

    Or he could pull a Floyd and fight a Berto level opponent or go on a kickboxer and MMA fighter tour
     
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  12. mrbigshot

    mrbigshot Active Member Full Member

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    Serge , you overlook that dubois is ready to agree with usyk to play it safe and nice , make it look challenging but finally to ... you know .

    Get paid well and build his career after usyk retires .

    Parker will probably not . So its not a question if parker or dubois is more dangerous , its a question which team agrees cause usyk is not ready to risk a loss for his country .

    I,m not saying it will be a scripted fight . I,m just saying its an agreement to keep it in a way which takes usyk to a sure victory so entire ukraine can cheer his hero .

    Its more important than money , ukraine has truckloads of money donated from europe and usa .
     
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  13. Kiwi Casual

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    You think Parker gets dropped 3x by Lerenea?

    Dubios is the least risky fight for Usyk, because Usyk has already beaten Dubios. Kabayel or Parker would be more interesting and challenging fights.
     
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  14. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    What would be more challenging about Parker?
    Genuine question
     
  15. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If any other fighter did this? He would be called a duck, especially American
     
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