Look, I want to see it as much as anyone, but Usyk is not "ducking" Parker.

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  1. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Lennox and Floyd had Many more fights and wins before 38, not the same
     
  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    No but to be fair neither did Dubois. He legit got dropped once and then voluntarily took a knee for the 2nd and 3rd KDs due to suffering a bad knee injury during the 1st KD

    Whist I don't think J-Park would get knocked down once by Lerena I wouldn't rule it out because he was buzzed by Massey and Lerena, as I warned the forum before the fight, is explosive and he can crack

    I disagree. Dubois is 250lbs now not 236lbs, Usyk will be 38.5 y/o not 36.5 y/o. and Dubois possesses murderous power and he stands a much higher chance of knocking Usyk out than J-Park. Sure, J-Park poses a different style match up for Usyk but I don't think he poses the kind of threat Dubois does of beating him

    Trust me I would rather Usyk face him than Dubois just based off the risk factor alone

    I would rather see Usyk vs J-Park in general but these ducking accusations and people acting like Usyk is taking the easier option are ridiculous and even more so when people keep ignoring the fact that Usyk has history with Dubois and so many claim Dubois was robbed of a KO win over him

    As I've said before. Dubois is the one who should be fighting J-Park with the winner earning a shot at the King.
     
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  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    And way less amateur fights. Usyk has very noticeably slowed down in terms of speed, reflexes and reaction times and he's campaigning in a division full of giants and murderous punching giants who are way bigger and younger than him and one where his speed, reflexes and reaction times are paramount to his success and not getting his head knocked into the cheap seats.
     
  4. Cally

    Cally Sand...sand... nothing but sand! Full Member

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    Usyk just wants to prove a point by fighting dubois again, it's all it is and I can't blame him wanting to put that little bit of controversy from the first fight right.

    Must say though, I was looking forward to seeing how parker fared against usyk, would be a good scrap.
     
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  5. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    The division is full of rubbish. They aren't that gigantic. Chisora is still top 10 for crying out loud, says it all about the depth

    Usyk isn't a small heavyweight. That's nonsense. He can use other attributes these lumps can't. Tyson and holyfield fought bigger men too. This isn't groundbreaking. Fury was 280lb full of fat. He's not bigger than Joshua, Lewis, bowe or the brothers. Just taller and a lot fatter. They aren't giants. Ruiz absolutely decimated one of the so called giants. Chisora himself is about 6 feet
     
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  6. HolDat

    HolDat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, Oscar is the only one who faced everyone in history HAHAHAHA

    So many assumptions about nothing we've seen from Usyk.
     
  7. DaRealJT

    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Usyk has made a different evaluation." - What does that actually mean here though?

    Almost everyone wants to see Usyk-Parker.
    Basically everyone agrees Parker is a worthy challenger.
    Usyk-Parker has been ordered by the WBO.

    So why is it ok for Usyk to drop the WBO belt and avoid Parker to make Usyk-Dubois II instead, a pointless rematch that no one wants to see?

    Pretending you'd be happy with not seeing Usyk-Parker or Usyk-Kabayel so you can watch a pointless Usyk-Dubois II rematch, just because you don't want to criticise Usyk, is baffling to me.
     
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  8. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Better movement and hand speed than Dubios and being a new opponent that Usyk hasn't already beaten.
     
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  9. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Coming in heavy didn't help Fury, it definitely won't help Dubios imo.

    Respect your opinion Serge, I just hope that this isn't Usyks last fight.
     
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  10. E Musk

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    A win over Parker and Hrgovic who fights in April and Usyk has cleaned out the division. At his age he should retire. No one beats father time.

    He is not ducking anyone.
     
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  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Well if the division full of rubbish why are you complaining about which binman he fights? Not like you're going to give him any credit anyway and if he choose J-Park you'd be on here accusing him of ducking Dubois

    Obviously when I say giants I mean just much or way bigger than Usyk in general, size, weight, height or all three

    Yes, Usyk is a small HW compared to these giants. That doesn't need an explanation for anyone blessed with the gift of sight.

    Yes, attributes which decline with age. Do you think it's normal for the boxers who rely on speed, reflexes, reaction times, and being elusive to be at their peak when they're 38 y/o and for those attributes to not have declined at that age because we sure do hear an awful lot about the decline of those exact same attributes when it comes to other boxers gods who rely on them even when they're considerably younger than that, even the ones who jacked themselves with PEDs to help them bridge the gap to became multi-weight champs and extend their primes

    Chisora isn't ranked in the top 10 but FTR he should be 1-1 vs the guy you're complaining about Usyk ducking and he also just beat the guy who KO'd J-Park

    I could go on but it's nothing but a waste of time.
     
  12. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It means he sees things differently. Honestly, that was not that hard to figure out.
     
  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Different fighters. Belly whilst way bigger than Usyk isn't a power puncher like Dubois who already hit ridiculously hard at 236lbs, let alone at 250lbs and given Usyk's age this time round and the fact he will be giving away even more weight which not only will increase the weight of Dubois' shots but it could also increase his punch resistance too it's a very dangerous proposition for Usyk and more so than the first time they fought each other

    Usyk being the 8th oldest HW champion, 3rd oldest unified champion, and 2nd oldest undisputed champion as it stands now tells us how rare it is for fighters his age to remain champion at that age but, like I said, he will shoot up to #5 and the oldest undisputed HW champ of all time come the end of July, mere months away, and he will be the only one ranked in the top 5 who wasn't a natural HW or a giant.

    There has only been 4 HW champions in history who were 39 or older so the odds are heavily stacked against him and even more so given the advantages in size and age he's giving away

    Thanks, likewise. I wish he'd retired after Belly II as he's clocked the game both amateur and pro and he was already old by boxing standards. I'd like to see him face J-Park but if he doesn't it's not because he fears or is ducking him.
     
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  14. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    “Ducking” is such a loaded term.

    Anyone who invokes that term needs to specify their definition for same and reason why it is applicable.

    The question of earning more or easier money corrupts the essence of the argument - as if monetary considerations determine who is actually more eligible or most deserving to be Usyk’s next opponent.

    Quite obviously, they don’t. They only provide a rationale of sorts as to why a more deserving challenger might’ve been passed over.

    Would another win over Dubois improve the perception of Usyk’s HW resume or would a win over a fresh HW opponent such as Parker improve Olek’s standing as a HW - not least for the greater breadth of competition engaged?

    I tend to think that the latter fight would gain Usyk greater credit than a rematch with Dubois.

    Dubois climbing into the ring and vacuously parroting what he was told to say shouldn’t inexplicably tip the scales in Daniel’s favour. The claim of being robbed appeared somewhat tongue in cheek on Dubois’ part.
     
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  15. mrbigshot

    mrbigshot Active Member Full Member

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    sure , but usyk will prefer a lower pay fight that he is sure to win and not a higher pay fight that he might loose .

    I already said it : usyk navigates to keep the "zero" at any costs