Why did Joshua duck Wilder his whole career

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  1. Oncee

    Oncee New Member Full Member

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    Can someone explain
     
  2. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    It was the other way round, Wilder was avoiding Joshua.
     
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  3. TipNom

    TipNom Active Member Full Member

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    He didn't. The blame for that fight not happening can not be put ENTIRELY on either man, but Wilder has way more to do with it not happening than Joshua. He flat out admitted to turning the fight and an insane purse down so he could rematch Fury
     
  4. mrbigshot

    mrbigshot Active Member Full Member

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    Wilder was ducked by many fighters in times he was known to have his nuclear right hand and his windmill of death .
     
  5. ipitythefool

    ipitythefool Prediction ? Pain Full Member

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    Windmill was too busy fighting old men, pastry chefs and polish sausages to fight Joshua.
     
  6. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The first fight was a draw and Fury was the lineal champ. Was turning down AJ to rematch Fury something Wilder should be ashamed of?
     
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  7. TipNom

    TipNom Active Member Full Member

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    Not necessarily. But the fact is he turned the fight down. Not like he had the Fury rematch immediately either, Fury himself decided to delay the rematch so he could fight Wallin. Would've had the opportunity to unify all 4 belts, make more money and then go off and fight Fury anyways.
     
  8. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To get to the other side
    Seriously though it was Wilder that declined a 3 fight deal on DAZN worth $100 million.

    Deontay Wilder reportedly turned down a deal from DAZN worth around $100 million in 2019. The deal was supposed to include three fights, with at least one of them being a unification bout with Anthony Joshua. At the time, both Wilder and Joshua were undefeated heavyweight champions, and a fight between them would have been one of the biggest in boxing.

    The reasons Wilder declined the deal were complex, but a few key factors included:

    1. Lack of transparency: Wilder’s camp claimed DAZN didn’t provide clarity on how much Joshua would be making, which made negotiations feel uneven.

    2. Desire for independence: Wilder chose to stay with Showtime and maintain control over his career, avoiding being tied to a specific platform like DAZN.

    3. Timing and leverage: He may have believed he’d get a bigger payday down the line, or didn’t want to lock himself into a multi-fight contract.

    Ultimately, the fight between Wilder and Joshua never materialized at their peaks, which is one of the biggest what-ifs in recent boxing history.

    Impact on the Heavyweight Division:

    1. Missed Unification Opportunity: Wilder’s rejection of the DAZN deal meant that a unification bout with Anthony Joshua was postponed indefinitely. This delay prevented the crowning of an undisputed heavyweight champion, leaving fans without a definitive answer to who was the best in the division at that time.

    2. Alternative Paths Taken: Following the declined offer, both fighters pursued different opponents. Wilder defended his WBC title against Dominic Breazeale and later faced Luis Ortiz and Tyson Fury. Joshua, on the other hand, suffered a shocking loss to Andy Ruiz Jr. but reclaimed his titles in a rematch. These separate paths altered the dynamics and narratives within the heavyweight division.

    3. Shift in Negotiation Dynamics: Wilder’s decision highlighted the complexities of boxing negotiations, especially concerning broadcasting rights and platform affiliations. It underscored the challenges in organizing mega-fights when multiple networks and promoters are involved, often leading to prolonged negotiations and missed opportunities.

    This is common knowledge
    https://www.boxingnews24.com/2019/03/deontay-wilder-explains-why-he-turned-down-dazn-offer/
     
  9. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joshu didn’t duck and neither did Wilder. I put the blame on Hearn. He overplayed his hand several times and blew the fight.

    Neither was afraid to fight the other, but Hearn was obsessed with not only making the fight, but having future options on Wilder, which is something Wilder was never going to agree to.

    At one point Wilder even agreed to the flat $15 million offer Hearn made early on, but Hearn kept adding extra conditions.
     
  10. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Pretty obvious that it was Wilder ducking AJ lets not forget Wilder only fought Fury the first time because he thought he was washed after the long lay off.
     
  11. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We will never know the truth of it all. I certainly take everything Eddie Hearn has to say with a grain of salt. One of the most polished liars who ever drew breath.
     
  12. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilder admitted that he turned down obscene amounts to fight Joshua.
     
  13. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    One guy fought Wlad, Parker, Povetkin, Ruiz, Pulev, Takam and Whyte.

    The other guy fought Eric Molina and Artur Szpilka.

    I know who I'm willing to trust on this issue.
     
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  14. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Close thread.
     
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  15. Ice8Cold

    Ice8Cold Still raging that we didnt see Bowe V Lewis Full Member

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    Saga was a mess, was very similiar to Bowe V Lewis in 1992.

    There is so much to it, all the back and forth nonsense etc.

    It was true though when negotiations begun in 2018 that Wilder wanted 50-50 of the split but AJ refused as AJ wanted 60-40 to his favour. Also a year later, Wilder rejected a 100$ million 3 fight offer from AJ's team because he would still have made less than what AJ made, even for the rematch if Wilder had beaten AJ in the first of their two fights that was in the contract. As much as people might disagree, I personally think 50-50 was somewhat reasonable then.
     
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