Could Usyk Hold His Own With The 70s Top Guy's?

He lost 4 rounds. He clearly won. Thats not an easy night. If AJ flips a round now we got a controversial fight on our hands.

Dubois if we don't count the foul was an easy fight. Chazz Witherspoon too. Every other fights hes lost 4 rounds+ for a total of 25. Going by 2/3 scorecards.

 

He didn't win a single round the only success he had was cheating and hitting low and then quit when he realized how outmatched he was.

First Fury fight and Second AJ maybe the others were much easier and thoroughly outboxed both.

You can have your opinion but we should base our opinions on facts not false narratives that aren't true

 

How many rounds did Ali lose against Frazier or Norton? How many rounds did rounds did Holmes lose against Norton, Witherspoon and Williams? Why is Usyk the only fighter in these forums to be criticized for not winning enough rounds in clear wins and its seen as some kinda mark against him, I never get that tbh.

 

Name them I'll wait.
In actuality he lost 2 rounds clearly and there were 2 close rounds which could have gone either way, ever other round he clearly won. 8-4 (which is extremely generous to Joshua) is the best case scenario for Joshua (closer to 9-3 or 10-2 if you judge properly) none of which is a competitive or close fight, its a dominant win.

 

Its Frazier and Norton thats not the same. Jimmy Young, Lyle the works. Ali lost rounds in the 70s at the same clip as Usyk. Its the 70s the greatest era in the divisions history. Its not a 1/1 thing.

Also Ali had his 60s reign already where he barely lost anything.

Usyks been elevated into the GOAT conversation after 7 fights at HW. Of course him losing 25 rounds is going to be held against him because the only way someone should get that sort of praise 7 fights in is by destroying everyone. How is that unfair or irational?

 

The only one he might beat is Norton and that's debatable

 

Generous or not thats the consensus opinion 2 of the 3 judges shared. I'm going off 2/3 judges. 2/3 judges determine if a fighter wins or loses that is the "majority opinion". Maybe they are wrong and you are right but thats the fairest way to do that.

AJs majority rounds in fight 1 were 2,5,6 and 8.

 

I think Ali would have still lost rounds in the 1960s. Henry Cooper and Doug Jones for example won rounds as did a handful of others.

 

Oh he did but at a much much lower clip than the 70s where he lost at a Usykian clip.

 

Boxrec has a way you can see the scorecards at the time the fight and from there you can take the average of how many rounds a fighter each lost in a fight.

Of course it doesn't account for the more debated decisions or "robberies" but still.

 

So Usyk where he's not giving up 30+ lbs to opponents? That changes a lot.

Yeah, he didn't have it easy with Fury or AJ, but, um, they'd be problems in the 70's too. Both of them. AJ (aside from last fight where's just looking washed) is a giant with solid fundamentals and big power. Fury is a slickster spoiler giraffe. No HW hears those descriptions and thinks "oh yeah, easy night".

Usyk is the same size as Ali and Norton, at least as fast and mobile as 70's Ali (again, 70's Ali, not 60's Ali), probably as skilled as 70's Ali (or close), and is a southpaw. I don't think even Ali himself would hear that and think "no problem, this'll be easy".

The two biggest threats would be Frazier and Foreman. Foreman just off a body shot. And... Chisora seemed to cause Usyk the most problems. A short pressure fighter who likes it up close and rough. Know who is a lot better at that game than Chisora? Joe Frazier.

 

Because we don't consider Wlad or Vitali the best heavyweights since they lost the least amount of rounds of any heavyweight champs. We judge fighters for who they beat not nitpick how many rounds they lost and Usyk has clearly beat the top fighters of his era all the while being outweighted by 20lbs or more not something any other heavyweight has done which is why he gets praise.

 

I’m not a modern guy by any standards but Usyk could hang with anyone in any generation. Special talent.

 

I go by what I see not what biased judges who have an incentive to make the fight seem closer then it really is (remember fight was in UK). And its clear that it was a domaint win from Usyk.

And of those rounds 2 and 5 were close and 6 and 8 were clear AJ rounds. So like I said if you're generous towards AJ its 8-4 (still a dominant win) but real scorecard it would be either 9-3 or 10-2.

 

We don't nitpick how many rounds they lost because normally its not an issue for long reigning champs. Usyk losing 25 rounds in his last 6 HW fights out of 7 total is an issue.

"Usyk has clearly beat the top fighters of his era all the while being outweighted by 20lbs or more not something any other heavyweight has done which is why he gets praise."

You're asking why I'm picking on Usyk. This sentence right here is why. This sentence is pure unadultered crud thats disrespecting dozens of HW legends. Theres a whole library of examples of HWs overcoming FAR more severe weight disavantages. The idea that overcoming 20 pounds is "not something any other HW has ever done" is bull. And theres a thread done like two weeks ago proving this with how many examples from many different posters proving this. Your making up an accomplishment for the guy while ignoring the more exclusive feats of others.