Terence Crawford vs Pernell Whitaker

JusABoxinFan,

You really don’t need to try and dumb anything down. They are some of the dumbest posts that I’ve ever had the misfortune of reading.

Ha! You don’t even know yourself what you’ve said. You’ve even admitted that. And that’s because you’re too emotional, where you’re not able to comprehend what’s being discussed. You’re that busy being angry, trying to shoot down anything that you perceive to be a negative, you haven’t even properly read what’s being said.

You are the one who needs support. And much more than purely emotional.

Ha! How have you got the audacity to post this?

Comprehension issues??

YOU are the guy who’s said that I hate Crawford, despite me literally saying that he’s great and that he’s done all that he could have.

YOU are the guy who’s admitted that he doesn’t know whether he’s quoted the right member.

Your comprehension skills are ZERO.

Your very first post on the thread was to attack someone aggressively, where you claimed that they’d belittled Terrence, even though they hadn’t.

I’m pretty easy to handle?

You allow me to dance?

SMH.

Again, you haven’t got the capacity to even read what’s been written.

Read this carefully:

I don’t CARE about those facts.

I’ve NEVER disputed them.

I’ve NEVER said that Terence hasn’t fought anyone of relevance.


I said that he has never fought a PRIME ATG.

There go your great comprehension skills again.

Yeah, I’ve studied the sport for over 30 years, but I don’t know what a lineal champion is.

Actually, I better clarify that that’s just a joke, as I don’t want you to take it literally, seeing as though you lack basic comprehension.

Kell looked awful against Zerafa, where they were calls for him to retire.

His long time trainer, who has known him since he was a small child, has literally said that he believes that his brain was dehydrated, and that his drop back to WW was too much for him to take after 3 years at JMW.

Khan was also shot against Brook.

It’s pathetic that you try and hype the Brook win for Terence.

Yet we both know why you have to do it.

 

JusABoxinFan,


Part 2:

Ha!

So what??

It doesn’t alter anything that I’ve just said above.

Winning an amateur tournament is a huge feat.

Winning a professional title at any level is also a huge feat.

I have a great respect for any fighter, at any level.

However, what I initially said is that Terence hasn’t beaten any PRIME ATG fighters.

I then made the allowance for PRIME HOF fighters.

Now even if the guys above do one day make the HOF, hardly any of them were prime.

Correct. And you think that Terence has fought anybody on that level, who was prime?

1. Then why on earth are you arguing with me?

2. You obviously have to apply the relevant context.

You have to be knowledgable enough to know the true value of something, instead of simply just looking at the official accolades.

No.

Accomplishment in the sport, is not accomplishment in the sport.

And if you believe that, then that tells us all your level of boxing knowledge.


Again: Context.

Adrien Broner is a 4 weight world champion in the modern era.


Look at who Leonard fought.

Look at who Gamboa fought.


No knowledgeable boxing fan will ever claim that Terence fought a prime ATG in Gamboa.

Nobody will ever rate Gamboa higher than Leonard.


Comparing official accolades, but without applying the relevant context, is completely ignorant.

I’ve got to give you credit here, this literally made me laugh out loud.

This is absolutely hilarious.

You have competed in debate tournaments?


Ha!

Really??

Despite the fact that you’ve done the following:


Aggressively jumped on a member, where you accused him of belittling Terence, even though he literally hadn’t?

Accused me of hating Terence, when I literally hadn’t?

Admitted that you’re not sure if you misquoted me?


Ha!

You’re too much.

You literally typed the following to me:

“Y'all claim to be a fan of the sport but HATE a man who literally was raised by this sport and has done everything you want a fighter to do”


As well as:

“I don’t know if I’ve quoted the right person. I don’t go back and check”


Ha!

Oh dear.

Those debate tournaments must be really something.

I replied in that manner, simply because you labelled me as hating Terence, (as I’ve shown you above) despite the fact that I’ve literally praised him in almost every post.

That’s a special kind of stupid.

Regarding me having fun, well due to our level of intellect being so vastly apart, it would actually feel a little cruel for me to admit such a thing.

The irony here is staggering.

I have highlighted your lack of comprehension skills, and it’s highly embarrassing for you.


Appropriate level to consider yourself an adult?

Again, you aren’t even aware of what you’ve written.


As you’ve just noted yourself above, you aren’t even aware of what ‘in good faith’ means.

You don’t know anything.


You are hopelessly out of your depth, where you’re just arguing due to a huge build up of anger.

 

Interesting to note that Terence Crawford has fought and won world titles at 135, 140, 147, and 154 just like Pernell Whitaker. I honestly favor Whitaker to outbox Bud at 135 and 140. Bud has a much better chance at 147 and 154 though.

 

This issue I have is.... Pernell fought fighters better than Anyone Crawford faced in Oscar, McGrit, Tito, Vasquez, and Chavez....

 

Two of my fav 5 fighters alltime. Lightweight whitaker- Welter crawford. After crawford beats canelo he will hopefully get the credit he deserves as an alltime great. If i hear any canelo was washed garbage i wont be shocked
I also would favor whitaker over any lightweight period. duran, pac, crawford, leonard, mayweather. Dont matter. He woulda controlled all of them with his jab, range, and distance. He won the de la hoya fight with his jab alone and hed lost a step. I rate his jab up there with spinks or holmes.
The major advantage crawford has is he lives a clean life.

 

Pernell would box his brains off at lightweight, I would back Crawford to edge it at 147. Pernell had no business fighting at 147.

 

Since this thread reappeared, I will revisit my answer. I still think the same exact thing. At LW and JWW, Sweet Pea; at WW Crawford.

 

I think he was talking about Benny Leonard.

 

It hurts me to say this because Sweet P is one of my top 5 favorites all time. But I think Crawford beats him by decision at 140 and stops him at 147.

Crawford has always had the IQ to neutralize the strengths of his opponents. Sweet P was not the biggest puncher thus he would have to deal with trying to outbox Crawford who has shown himself to be elite in that area. As Crawford moved up to a more comfortable 147, he was stronger so now he is outboxing and bullying his opponents until eventually they are broken.

Crawford is aggressively accurate when he smells blood as well. That combined with his punch resistance when he is dialed in spells bad news for Sweet P in a welterweight matchup.

 

Mmmmmmm now you're overrating him

 

It is never easy to make a prediction on a match between two great champions like Whitaker and Crawford. I think it would have been a chess match, defensive art and accuracy, no Knockdown but 12 pure class rounds in the ring, the slugfests are elsewhere.

The verdict? A judge for Sweet Pea, another for Bud, and the third is decisive, 114 - 114, the class never loses.

 

Neither fighter has been overrated in my assessment.

I'm guessing you are referring to my thoughts on Crawford's abilities. I get it a lot of y'all don't like him or refuse to give him credit for the career he has built, but as a boxing fan, former fighter, and current trainer, I understand how hard it is to accomplish a 10th of what he's accomplished and for him to do what he's been able to do, despite the lack of appropriate promotion for most of his career, and the politics that he had to face to get the fights he's begged for, I respect him as a competitor to the highest extent and clearly, those directly involved with the sport today do as well. He, today, is still the only active fighter in history to go through the Fist Casting Ceremony at the Hall of Fame Banquet. And this happened before the Spence fight.

Not sure if you know what that is, but every Hall of Fame Inductee gets their fist casted into a stone for the display. Crawford at the time was coming off the Shawn Porter stoppage win, attended the Hall of Fame ceremony. So many legends and/or Hall of Famers were present and Crawford was presented with the opportunity of getting his fist casted by the Boxing Writers Association. The committee directly responsible for legends being inducted. This tells me that even without the Spence victory, Crawford was a first ballot HOF'er in their eyes.........YET.......some random fan on a message board feels me complimenting his ring IQ is me, overrating him.....lol.

 

Has Crawford defeated a fighter in the same class as McGrit, Oscar, Vasquez, Chavez, or Tito???