CAN Wlad become ATG/Hof'er?

Well stated. Very well stated.

To be int he running for ATG status, every flaw is magnified, every loss is scrutinized. If you survive this process, you are an ATG.

11 knockdowns, 3 stoppage losses against weak competition, and an asterix next to quite a few of the big name victories. That is not ATG material.

I am not saying he can't do it over the long run. But to say that he is not going to be recognized becasue of color and ethnicity is wrong.

 

Dominating a division (especially a weak division) does not necessarily mean a fighter can reach ATG status. Wlad's a good fighter, a very good fighter, but I just don't see greatness in him, or his brother for that matter.

Greatness is not a numbers game. Floyd Patterson was the youngest heavyweight champion ever and the first to regain the title. He made quite a few title defences too. Yet, nobody would call him an ATG.

I'm not saying it's out of the question for Wlad to one day be an ATG, but simply unifying the titles or making a string of defences is just not enough. Nowhere near.

 

Wlad will be in the hall of fame. He is the best heavyweight in this time period, and such a man always gets the nod for the hall of fame. Boxing’s hall of fame has liberal standards, and a high induction rate.

For the stat geeks, Wlad is something like 10-2 in title fights, has a great ring record, and has scored a high percentage of knockouts. Some of those knockouts have fantastic replay value.

 

at this point I can say there are some ATG's he would beat and there are some that would beat him,we have to see how he developes and improves, when a fighter hits his 30's, he starts to relax in the ring so we may not have seen the best of Vlad,time will tell, he certainly would be a problem for the champs of the last 4 decades, would he beat them? would he be an easy opponent? time will tell

 

The bald truth is, most hall of fame heavyweights lost more often, and were knocked out more often…by lesser punchers. A fighter can only fight who is in his era.

 

So Lennox Lewis has no right to be an ATG, isn´t it? He lost to midlevel fighters Mccall and Rahman, who aren´t better than Brewster or Sanders.....

As well as Sonny Liston, who lost to Marty Marshall (who?).

BTW Klitchko had his losses before his prime. Especially the loss to Puritty was nothing but unexperience.....but never a lack of skill....

I think denying him a priori an ATG-status is nonsense....

 

So why is Tyson an ATG? He dominated a division as weak as nowadays (no discussion) and was KTFO in his prime to B-level fighter Douglas. After his comeback in 95 he never ever baet someone worth to mention.....

 

exactly he has to unify the division become undisputed rematch corry sanders....which even if he does win isnt going to get as much credentials as lewis did when he stopped mcCall or rahman as both of them either had a title or were in the elimination stage.

hall of famer maybe atg no way

 

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:rofl :rofl :rofl

 

get to the point:nono

 

It's possible. Be active for ~5 more years, unify the titles, beat 3-4 top contenders ... he could be a ATG than.

 

yeah but he is already getting on a bit he should be unified champ already and way into bum of the month tour

 

but he aint young no more he was compared to other fighters in the division but he isnt peak physical stregnth

 

HOF is pretty much guaranteed for Wlad. Every man and his dog gets in there eventually. They add half a dozen names each year - do half a dozen GREAT fighters emerge every year? No, therefore they end up adding fighters that were either pretty good or just well-known.

ATG, I don't know. I think he'll probably crack the top-20.