James Toney vs 70s George Foreman (15 rounds) - challenger withstanding

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  1. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Have a good Easter mate. I wasn't trying to offend. I enjoy reading your posts here and I do like seeing unconventional takes.


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  2. Joe.Boxer

    Joe.Boxer Chinchecker Full Member

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    :rolleyes:...Toney fanboys reaching a new level of delusion.
     
  3. Scammell

    Scammell Bob N' Weave Full Member

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    Honestly, it’s not even close, Foreman would beat the brakes off Toney over 15 rounds.

    Toney’s a brilliant technician, great defence, incredible inside skills, top-tier counterpunching, but physically he’s completely outgunned here. We’re talking about a natural middleweight/super middleweight moving up against one of the most physically overwhelming heavyweights in history.

    Foreman in the 70s wasn’t just wild swings and brute strength. Yes, he was crude at times, but he had serious timing, a devastating jab when he used it, brutal uppercuts, and a level of raw physicality that would shove Toney wherever he wanted him. Even a defensive genius like Toney isn’t slipping and rolling everything when 220+ pounds of raw power is clubbing him around the ring.

    And it’s not like Toney had prime heavyweight legs either. He didn’t move much at heavyweight, he stood in the pocket, caught and countered, and that’s the absolute worst place to be against Foreman. You need legs, movement, and clinching strength to survive 70s George. Toney had the toughness to last for a while, sure, and he’d make Foreman miss a bit early, but eventually he’d get battered down physically.

    Foreman would just walk through his counters, bully him into the ropes, and hammer him until the referee or the corner stopped it. Might take 5 or 6 rounds, might take 9 or 10, but over 15, there’s no way Toney stands up to that kind of pressure and size without getting seriously damaged.

    Toney’s skill would make it competitive for a few rounds, he wouldn't get flattened instantly, but Foreman's raw physical advantages are way too much to overcome.
     
  4. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    :D Well… I’m coming back to this thread because @roughdiamond deserves a good debate but just a short point here… have you seen how much minimal movement affected George? In the 2nd Frazier fight he was at the end of the rope for stamina… a shot, old fat Frazier fought way out of character and George was swinging at air till the 5th… does that not count because it was after Ali like every chink in the armour? Frazier was bending at the waist which has 0 benefits and opens you up to uppercuts (George’s key punch there) where as Toney is pretty much unavailable for uppercuts with how he fights and George does… not that he couldn’t be hit by them just not by those ugly long uppercuts or by guys who get square on the inside… Toney FAT around 230-240lbs hung with a super conditioned 240lbs (ish) Rahman putting out around 80 punches a round for 12… terms of power he’s as hard a puncher as GF or the difference would be oblivious to the person being punched, better conditioned, stronger and 25lbs heavier likely on PED’s and he couldn’t get rid of JT… His corner wisely steered Rahman away from chasing even that version of James to the ropes because he was being lit up, James wasn’t moved around by pretty much anybody at HW Rahman, Peters and Holyfield (whatever he was at the time he was still strong as an Ox) could do basically nothing expect jab lol. We can all pretty much agree that Foreman ain’t getting rid of James, surely, Peters fight and Rahman fight make it hard to argue otherwise especially considering the state of James in them… but no one will comment on how tf George makes it to round 15? James early HW and CW takes him deep once he realises he’s trying to shoot his load and beats him into quitting.
     
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  5. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    Well there you go! So what’ve we learned…? A hard punching SHW who matches a near record holding HW punch stat couldn’t get rid of a 240lbs “Big” James Toney that didn’t show up but the guy who was 217lbs in his prime and almost spent against a shot Joe Frazier (5) Ron Lyle (5) and Muhammad Ali (7ish) is going to stick around being counter punched, having his body raked every time he shoves and smothered till the 15th against a 215lbs “in shape” “Big” Toney?
     
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  6. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    “Loss” against Peter’s too… lol look he could’ve lost all those fights before someone cries about it, it’s what happened in those fights that matters this is Big James country now, title of “Big” has officially been lifted.
     
  7. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    Who’s your favourite so I can make a thread dedicated to “Big” Toney bashing them to bits you traitorous rapscallion! No but @roughdiamond has made some good points but you’re no less a Brutus.
     
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  8. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    None of this is technically incorrect :sisi1
     
  9. Azik

    Azik New Member banned Full Member

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    Foreman will win, but he should work hard with Tony
     
  10. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Has anyone mentioned the ref yet? Foreman would be in deep waters if he weren't allowed to do the two handed shove, wing kidney punches, and measure with his left.
     
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  11. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    George Foreman knocks James Toney out in 3-4 rounds

    I've never understood the hype James Toney gets by some on these forums as a heavyweight

    He struggled in arguably the worst heavyweight era ever

    He didnt move well at all and that shoulder roll isn't helping vs George Foremans ferocious body attack
     
  12. clum

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    Toney shows up out of shape and after the fight blames his his loss on his struggles in camp. Also complains that Foreman spent all fight running instead of fighting. Afterwards he gives a special shoutout to all of the underprivileged children in the world and to the Burger King on West Johnson Ave. in Detroit for staying open 24/7.
     
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  13. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    It’s says it all that you avoided using an in form Toney. Maybe Foreman would claim he didn’t have enough leg room on the flight over and that Jesus spoke to him in the showers.
     
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  14. clum

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    Don't be ridiculous. If Foreman lost he would claim that he was poisoned.
     
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  15. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    We allow pushing to make predictions but not Evanders head butting! Outrageous :mad:
     
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