Is Joe Louis still a top 5 heavyweight H2H if you give him modern training and nutrition?

Joe was exceptional.

I think he could overcome modern training and ‘science’ and still be great.

 

I think that he could have come in around the same weight as Usyk without losing anything.

He was sometimes as much a 207lbs when he was up against a bigger opponent in his own day, so 220lbs looks very achievable to me.

 

Crazy how Louis had a style that was "generations ahead of his time" and that he learned it from a guy that fought starting in 1900. How could that possibly be?

 

Have you watched Holyfield vs Douglas, Foreman, Thomas and Dokes? He’d be a low 200lbs HW relying on outclassing them like EH before he got too big and lost a few steps… except Louis can hit he’d put on some outclassing’s on big guys but he’d have off nights where someone overly big might make him look bad / worse his biggest and pretty much only threats 70s-90s IMO are Lennox, Ali, Holmes and Tyson otherwise everyone else on a regular night he wins however he needs to.

 

Crazy how a former 190lber (same day weigh ins) with half the boxing brain was a multi generational champion with all the big guys around that were supposed to smash guys Louis’s size…

 

Is a pig pork? Absolutely.

 

Simple, the sport hasn't advanced as much as casual, diehard fans or recency biased people make it out to be

Or atleast that's my interpretation

 

If Joe brings the old school training, diet, and activity into todays boxing .. He takes over SRR spot as the GOAT .. You take Floyd Mayweather and put him back in the day riding the rail with well over 100 fights ,, he is just another Joe Nobody

 

He doesn't need it. He's Top 5 regardless

 

If you a gave a young Joe Louis modern nutrition and training, he'd be a strong safety on an SEC college football team for a couple years and never take up boxing.

These fantasy scenarios, bringing old fighters into modern days, always leave out the reality that poor black Americans who are athletic don't take up boxing anymore have a lot of other sports they can compete in.

They didn't have those options 90 years ago, when Joe Louis came up.

Boxing is way way way on the bottom of the list of options today.

If they take it up now, it's because they failed in numerous other sports that they tried out first.

Not to be a downer, I'm just not much into fantasy.

A "ripped" Joe Louis with modern training techniques would have lots of options.

 

I'm just reading trying to understand this level of fan fiction.

If you take Joe Louis as a base for a made up character you can do whatever you want with him... duh...


Why isn't asking about a modern Louis the same as asking about Superman or Apollo?


Why is Apollonian mythology so uninteresting here while you guys talk about things like a 21st century Greb?


You realize those made up BS stories at least explain the culture of this sport ... but Joe Louis with modern training and nutrition ... it's a "thought experiment" . ... Is in all reality totally useless and only can be used to reveal the personal biases of the posters who contribute, self included.

 

When fighters / trainers talk about 'modern training' and 'modern nutrition' it's a codeword for PEDs. 'Modern' training methodologies come from 70s soviet studies or are gimmicks.

Joe Louis on PEDs ****s people up.

 

Mine too.

 

I agree, IMO, PEDs are the biggest difference in all sports. Joe Louis was not a small person, I've seen video and pictures of him shaking hands with Ali, Foreman, etc. and he looks about the same height and frame as them. With PEDs, Louis should be quicker, stronger, leaner while heavier, probably more aggressive, etc. People haven't progressed over the last 90-100 years, but PEDs have made it seem that way.

I think PEDs have been in boxing longer than most believe. My guess is that PEDs in boxing/sports became prevalent in the 60s, and more prevalent in the 70s. The reason I believe that is that the ponderous 6'3" heavyweights of the past became quick and mobile during that time period. Just as the slow ponderous 6'5"+ heavyweights of the past are now much quicker and more mobile. I don't believe that people have evolved in 100 years, I suspect the reason is PEDs.

 

Without Blackburn Louis isnt Louis.