Jake Kilrain compares eras, 1931

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  1. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Jake Kilrain, the first ESB poster.
     
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  2. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    Jake “too much man, too much tan” Kilrain
     
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  3. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Did Seamus somehow manage to invent time travel and wrote this article himself?
     
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  4. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Lennox Lewis' was pretty much called during his era.
    He gets respect now, at least more than he used to.
     
  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Kilrain was a lot more right than he was wrong.
     
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  6. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sullivan ducked a lot more fighters than just Peter Jackson.
     
  7. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Dude probably fought a thousand men including his road shows. And yes, there were times he was open to a Jackson bout that never got made. Such were his times. He didn't duck S.

    He would demolish anyone up till Louis and go even with Louis over a 4 bout run.
     
  8. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pure BS. 1st, there weren't many good bare knuckle fighters in the 1880s. 2nd, it doesn't take much class to last 5 rounds in a LPR fight.
     
  9. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    Another article I found by Kilrain on modern fighters, not sure when it’s dated:


    "The last five or six fights I saw didn't make much of a hit with me. There was too much foot-racing and hugging and too little real fighting. Maybe I expected too much from some of the highly touted boys
    I have never seen Dempsey but his fights never made much of an impression on me. He never beat any really great fighter and he doesn't fight much more than once a year. I think this fellow Wills may be too much for him.

    "Of course the experts all write about Corbett's cleverness, but I never raved over him. Corbett was fast on his feet. He had a good pair of legs and turned most of his fights into a waltz.

    When Sullivan was beaten by Corbett he dropped from exhaustion trying to catch up to Corbett.

    "Corbett used to dance about so much without regard of his opponent, that he would often be forced to glance about to see what part of the ring he was in.

    "It was at such a time that Jim Jeffries landed the punch that knocked him out in the twenty-third round of their fight. Likewise, Fitzsimmons landed the solar plexus that won him the championship at Carson City during one of Jim's waltzes.

    "I always admired Jim Jeffries, regarded him as a true champion. It was too bad he was brought back from retirement to be slaughtered

    "That fellow Stanley Ketchel was my idea of a great lighter.

    He was clever, could punch and liked to fight.

    "When it comes to the money the righters of today had it all over

    the battlers of my time.

    They are far smarter in this respect and they

    not only get the money but keep it.

    "When a fighter won an important battle in the old days much of the purse went for a big celebration. The present day fighter is waiting for the bank to open the next morning. You can't blame him for that, though.

    "While none of the old-time fighters got big purses. lew of them

    would be in want today if they had saved their money.

    "Too many of the modern fighters are slappers instead of punchers.

    They don't follow up their blows."
     
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  10. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    "making an opponent do what he does not want to do". That's an amazing and insightful observation.

    Regarding John L not wanting to fight Peter Jackson, didn't that pansy Corbett go 75 rounds with Jackson? That's the only bit of respect I give the Thong Man.

    Edit: 61 round draw!
     
  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    And he is correct on every count. Brilliant stuff.
     
  12. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Sullivan "would have fought Jackson in a minute if he was white" why didn't Sullivan fight any of the top white fighters of Jacksons era like Slavin, Goddard, Killen, McAuliffe, Fitz, Denver Ed Smith, Ashton or Lannon?

    If he would have fought Jackson "in a minute" why did he not fight anyone else for 5 years in gloved boxing?

    If Sullivan was so formidable why did it take 75 rounds(converted like 30 something rounds I recall) to stop Kilrain? This fight while bare knuckle was Sullivans only major stoppage not given to him by the cops.
     
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  13. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    While they went 61 the fight basically ended within 25 rounds and they spent the next 35ish rounds awkwardly posturing for the ref to stop it. If that fight had been scored Jackson would have won handidly though Corbett had 1 brilliant round that rendered Jackson(and himself) unable to continue.
     
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  14. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    Sullivan’s tactics against Kilrain were purposeful, as he wanted to make it a long fight and not exert energy on trying to finish Jake until the latter was helpless. This was Sullivan’s plan against Mitchell in their rematch as well; both Mitchell and Kilrain ran around the ring in hope of gassing Sullivan out while he tried knocking them out. Sensing this, Sullivan focused on stalking and boxing technically with them rather than rushing them.

    Also, Killen is believed to have actually ducked Sullivan, and Sullivan regularly toyed with Ashton in sparring and exhibition tours. IIRC Lannon was also one of Sullivan’s recurring sparring partners. I think Sullivan fighting Kilrain and Mitchell had to do with the fact that the main public criticism against him by the public by the late 1880s was that he only fought gloved and didn’t fight “real fights” like Kilrain did. There was even a whole propaganda campaign that Fox made that could basically be summed up as “the virgin Sullivan vs. the Chad Kilrain”. It’s a shame because fights against Goddard, Slavin and Killen could’ve answered many questions about Sullivan’s chin
     
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  15. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    What basis is there behind Corbett only winning one round handily until Jackson got injured? I’ve seen you make this claim in a different thread yet the large variety of sources I’ve seen on the fight suggest that it was even in the early stages with maybe a slight edge to Jackson. In what round did this injury happen in?
     
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