Roy Jones Jr. vs. Oleksandr Usyk.

Greatness is defined when you beat the odds and when things are stacked against you.

Usyk was the underdog and massively physically undersized and was expected to get his ass whooped by Joshua in the 1st one, and 2nd one. Same with Fury 1 and 2. He had everything stacked against him but he dug deep and found a way. And Usyk rolled the dice against the prime beasts of Gassiev and Breidis in their home countries .. Floyd never took on challenges like that.

Usyk fought on their turf, on their terms, into their judges and referees and into crowds roaring against him, against the best fighters in the division in the world and won whilst his country was at war. Whilst Floyd had his entire careers in his own backyard with his own personalised judges and referee.

 

Mayweather won most of his fights comfortably he didn't need judges in 98 percent of his fights so that's irrelevant.

And when did a referee ever help Mayweather win a fight ? Again irrelevant.

Canelo---> Fury
ODLH---> Joshua
Corrales---> Briedis

 

What did Fury and Joshua accomplish in their careers that would have justified Usyk being this huge underdog? All of Joshua losses were to smaller guys who were at a height and reach disadvantage.

Haye is no bigger than Usyk yet he beat Chisora more decisively

 

Should we have invented more divisions above heavyweight for Usyk to have fought, Or are you that gormless and uneducated you don't know there's only 2 weight divisions Usyk could have fought in, and a massive weight difference between cruiserweight and heavyweight.

Mayweather turned pro aged 19 and fought from 130lbs to 149lbs (19lbs range) and didn't fight anybody that outweighed him, carefully choosing his opponents by the watch and often moving them up in weight.

Usyk turned pro aged nearly 27 and fought from 198lbs to 226lbs (28lbs range) fought and beat fighters that were number 1 in their division that outweighed him by 4 stone!! whilst facing the best fighters in their prime, in their backyards and ducking nobody.

Usyk has a higher level of greatness because he took more risks and was up against it far more.

 

@Dynamicpuncher you sound salty like a Nick Fannon LDBC type.

 

Anyway back to the topic, and without the steroids Jones would not have a chance.

 

5 weight classes compared to 2 sorry you get annoyed over it but that's a fact throwing your toys out of the pram with insults on a forum won't change that.

Mayweather never fought anyone who outweighed him ? False go check what Canelo weighed when Mayweather fought him I think you will find he was 168 pounds.

Carefully choosing his opponents ? Maybe on some opponents but there's still alot more quality opponents than Usyk overall.

Usyk more greatness ? Opinion based not backed up by actual statistics in regards to Mayweather trumping Usyk in every stat in regards to more quality wins, more wins against ranked fighters, more world title wins.

 

Oh I've just realised what Alt account you are now so you can be added to the block list have a good day.

 

I just checked..

Usyk 226lbs vs Fury 281lbs
Mayweather 150.5lbs vs Alvarez 152lbs

1 and a half pounds, I'm done here. See you later

 

He simply proved you wrong. And that's just the weigh-in weight. Are you of the impression that was true for fight night??

Oscar also outweighed Floyd when they fought. It's not a competition to see who could fight the guy who outweighs one the most. And the HW division is different then the rest. Many HW's have fought guys outweighing them by a huge amount. That's not uncommon.,

But again, you were wrong about Floyd never fighting someone who outweighed him.

 

Undisputed? Fought the best? Floyd would need to have a better career than Pac before he could get to Usyk's level. That didn't happen though.

 

How can you possibly rate Floyd above Usyk? Broner is a 3 weight champion, Usyk only 2. You see how weak that argument is?
Undisputed in a weight division is worth far more than cherry picking a paper strap as you move up. How many times was Floyd undisputed? I don't know why we are having this conversation, Floyd has a weak record compared to Pac (8 time world champ or something, far better record than Floyd).
You don't think beating the far bigger Fury twice to be undisputed at heavyweight isn't as great as beating a green Canelo (Floyd's best win by far)? I'm not sure if you are being serious. Floyd was a great fighter but prime opponents and a strong record was not his M.O

 

I know right the way people go on about Usyk fighting bigger Heavyweights like its never happened before is baffling

Sam Langford who was 5'6 and started off as a Lightweight was competing against Heavyweights way bigger than him.

Archie Moore who has multiple wins against ranked Heavyweight considerably bigger than him.

Holyfield did it.

Have did it.

Byrd did did it.

Young did it.

And yes he was completely wrong about Mayweather never fighting someone bigger than him.

 

More dominant? Floyd is lucky not to have three losses on his record. Easier to have longevity when you're aiming for money fights rather than for greatness. Usyk travelled everywhere and fought anyone for the glory. We never found out about how great Floyd could be, he wasn't interested in that.

 

I've noticed several new accounts, people joined the last couple weeks, just to troll/talk smack. Weird

Even John Ruiz was outweighed by Valuev by a large amount.