Do you consider Usyk's amateur and/or WSB accomplishments to contribute to his legacy?

It wasn't designed for anyone to get a taste of anything, though.

It was designed to pay boxers who wanted an avenue to earn money as a pro, so they would stick around and compete in the Olympics.

But now any pro fighter can qualify and go back and fight in Olympics.

You don't just have to limit yourself to just being a pro in the WSB.

As far as teams, they really weren't much different than Eddie Hearn and Frank Warren's Five VS Five nights.

The team thing is just a promotional gimmick, to give someone a side to root for.

 

Amateur is amateur pro is pro. They need to be viewed separately. They are practically two different sports.

 

He was younger and lighter perhaps that's why.

 

Not his amateur fights, otherwise you need to count every professional's amateur fights as well.

His WSB fights definitely count though. Pro rules, no head gear, ok only five rounds but then all fighters start off with four and six rounders so what's the difference?

 

This is a thoughtful post against the side that seems to be winning. Cheers.

 

I like the counter argument as well. Actually made me sort of reconsider my initial stance.

 

No it’s not. And convenient of you to leave out the number of elite amateurs that Usyk whooped compared to Foreman who beat…

wait… who did he beat again in those 24 wins again?? And he lost 4 too Now compare that to Usyk’s 300 plus wins and several losses. Lol Nice try.

Usyk beat one of the best PFP greats in recent history in Beterbiev TWICE. He also beat the reigning Olympic Silver Medalist AND world Champion Clemente Russo (Someone better than ANY amateur George beat) to capture Gold! I realllly don’t think you wanna start comparing their amateur credentials there Hoss.

And go ahead and say it… “W.. Well SO! Amateurs don’t mean ****!!”

 

You can only beat who is available. That’s the line you guys love to repeat when it comes to Usyk’s pro record right?

 

I already posted it, but my idea is that I think WSB, IBA and other alternative pro fights should be announced parenthetically, as extra credit. Just say his record, and mention he also won 6 WSB fights. This would also help out guys like Suslekov and Gahdzimagomedov who have significant IBA accomplishments.

 

Nah. The Am system is even more corrupt than the pros.

 

I voted No. Amateur and Pro are completely different. Also i want to point out, not every country supports Amateur boxing. Some countries send their best without financial support or world class trainers to train them. Overall this is going to be an unfair comparison in the end.

Pro on the other hand, you can earn enough money to hire a world class trainer to at least level the playing field. Promoters can also spot you if you have potential and help you elevate your game with good matchmaking.

 

You really should stop to avoid the issue and talk nonsense . Ring magazine , boxrec , any boxing organisation and team usyk itself do NOT claim to have WSB fights be counted on his official pro record .

So no , usyk does NOT have more than 23 pro fights at all and 8 as a heavy . Everybody in the boxing world agree on this .

 

Weather or not they are two different sports or whatver other claims offcourse his amaterur and WSB achievemnts count towards his legacy.

 

I would say yes. For example, if somebody said "But Usyk has never fought a huge, iron chinned relentless 6'6 juggernaut that never gets tired like Joe Joyce" you can point to the super series.

 

LPR with gloves on being considered a QB fight has far more differences but if I ask you who the first QB champion was you will say Sully. My point was in the scope of time it should be included because we are already overcoming great differences to compare figures.

For example, the decade of the four rounder never excluded any HW from ATG comparisons, why should amateurs?